Cut and hold near miss

I actually really do think that this is a conversation that will end as our technology gets better and better. I personally think that technologically speaking, the handsaw has outperformed the chainsaw in innovation and improvement over the last 20 years. Most of the time I see people cut and holding branches with a chainsaw, they are carrying a dull out of date handsaw or none at all.

20 years ago your handsaw options were pretty much stamped metal fannos. I know I would be cut and holding branches if that was my other option. This is fact because I used to carry no handsaw or a really crappy one.

the o20's were a little heavier back in the day but they had more power and they definitly cut through a branch just as fast as a ms200, a little more plastic now but basically the same saw. Or am i wrong about this. I am not that old they dont seem to have changed much in my lifetime.

Therefore, the argument is not the same as it was pre-silky.
 
Hey, how are YA? Ypu must be a big boy to a a holder. One day you WILL get your self with that light and little saw and you will say "MO#$$#$$%%%" and depending how bad you got got you might just say a liitle more.

I have no doubt in my mind that it takes a true tree climber to put the stuff on the ground with skill and respect. To make it look easy, to have control, to feel comfortable, to make it good for the groundmen. If you are chunking wood it is one thing, if you are scrabling and scrambling to maintain balance, put your saw away and hold a branch( which can't be that big) well that is no good.

I do some cutting and holding but the situation has to call for it. I have seen some pretty big guys fumble a log and I can't hold much nor do I want to. Its heavy, tie some rope to it, cut and sit back to watch it fly away to be someone else's worry. Every time I cut and hold I think to myself" hope I don't do something stupid and drop it "

All the best Ben
 
Cut and hold with a handsaw is just as bad as a chain saw. You get to jerking about with the thing and you to use so much force to cut rapidly you lose control. Also with the force applied to make the thing cut when you cut through, the saw keeps going.

You cut towards you and what happens? Do not have your hand anywhere near the moving hand saw blade, stick it down your pants or something but think about this. You are really cutting fast with that handsaw and making lots of cuts and now you balance and grip up to cut and hold and you start your furious jerking back and forth til you arm is dead and just when you are almost done the blade snaps and you can't stop yourself from jamming it into the hand holding the branch.

My advise is to use your handsaw with the same respect of a chainsaw. They are both just as dangerous.

Which brings me to the point I made about the cut and hold techinque that is not written in any tree book. Here is a little song you can all sing to your bosses

Don't be a dope, put it on a rope
If it takes to long
just tie and sing the song
before your profit goes down the slope

I say that anybody who relies on this technique to get them through is a hack. Also I you are being told that this is proper and safe you should get smart. If you feel like you are about to cut your hand off most likely it is because you are about to cut your hand off.
 
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Here here. cut-and-hold-ing is, 99% of the time, very dangerous.

Silky is not actually as dangerous, but much easier to underestimate. If you saw like a mainiac with the handsaw, you can expect it to jump out the cut and bite you.

That said, who carries a handsaw for practically every climb? I do, but my colleagues don't.
 
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I usually carry two.
 
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I do and it isn't always for cutting branches, possums, koalas and snakes are far less cuddly 30m up in the canopy!
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ha, i cant believe this thread is still going, i bought a handsaw finally and it is offically sitting in my bag already, dont get me wrong, it has its time and place but they are few and far between, ive only used it twice since ive owned it but in all fairness i have been doing huge removals lately and the handsaw has no business with these monsters, in fact ive been bringing up my 361 with a shorter bar on it on occastion,

still, it funny that the cut and hold argument is still going on, its like talking religion, you cant change someones work preferences, you can show me all the facts in the world and yet come tomorrow ill be at it again, but then, now that i think about it, if i cut myself doing a cut and hold i might be one of the guys sayin its a dangerous thing too
 
I'm home with a sick kid today so I thing I'll run my post count up for a while.

Phil said what I think... cut and hold, one hand, two hand, handsaw, chainsaw... all tools in the bag, learn to use them and pick the right one for the right task.

If I have a piece big enough for a chainsaw, I sling or lower it... orrrr, I cut it with the chainsaw ost of they way, stow the saw and break it off or finish it with the handsaw while I hold it.

I push chunks with one hand while cutting with the other whenever they won't go by themselves.

I don't rush with a chainsaw... or a handsaw... ever. Rushing sucks.

Sometimes I two-hand a handsaw.

Alright, that's post #257.
 
lol I two handed a handsaw earlier. Even on massive takedowns, there're always puny branches in your way that need to disappear, and, excuse me if I'm wrong, big dirty hunk of steel tends to be less convenient and more dangerous to use for these tasks.

I have climbed without a handsaw for 6months, in the past.

It won't happen again.
 
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"Don't sweat the petty things...And don't pet the sweatty things."

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I can remember a sweaty thing I loved to pet... especially when she was sweaty.
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"Don't sweat the petty things...And don't pet the sweatty things."

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I can remember a sweaty thing I loved to pet... especially when she was sweaty.
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Well Put
 
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