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Disendowing might be a better term.. if it’s a term at all, many of these folks need their egos deflated to the point they need drugs function properly
Crane accident 8/31/21 Washington State
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evo
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Over inflated egos aka penis/viagra joke. Trying to keep it subtle... Sounds like you let enough reality into their posts to deflate a little.
Phil
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There's a term I use for this..."burden of knowledge". Or "ignorance is bliss" is a bit more well known of a saying. We as professionals have a knowledge of the job, techniques and processes that gives us a framework with which to judge poor quality. Sometimes this is a burden because we see it constantly. Homeowners, rookie workers, and even some companies that don't have that knowledge, aren't burdened by their sub par work. I can understand homeowners and even rookie workers being unknowledgeable but the companies I think is more an apathy thing, which is really scary.
I know how to use a hammer, screw gun and a circular saw. Can I build a deck, yes. Would I be proud of what I built? Probably. Would a professional carpenter want to beat me senseless for how I went about building the deck? Absolutely.
Man, the average person often has some kind of skill or facet in life that makes me say “wow, who knew?”, but the truth is, those people can often be impressed by the most insane, unsafe, inefficient, rookie hack job ever performed. Add the lack of barrier for entry into our profession, and there you have it.
I’m not referring to anyone in particular, just sort of pointing to what I’ve seen. I hear from clients or their neighbors about who did what to their trees in the past, and how impressive it was, or how “it was the only way”…maybe what bugs me the most is when someone does sub-par work and has such a fragile ego that they don’t care to listen or learn about how to improve, or heaven forbid, make their life easier and make more money.
Not much you can do in the end but live and let live. Hopefully.
I’m playing catch-up here. Just replied before finishing the whole thread. You basically summed up what I said.
I think there is another big reason why the average person prefers to watch guys like this over guys like Reg Coates. The thrill factor of the video itself. When they see things happen that to them appear as freak occurrences but to the trained eye are clearly mistakes, oversights and huge safety concerns, it adds fuel to the fire of how tree work is perceived by the public at large as the wild west and these guys are the cowboys. This is the bread and butter of their subscribers. I have a very short list of folks I'm willing to invest time in watching, and even among those I spend a good deal of time forwarding through pieces of dialogue that are barely related to the task at hand in the video. Personally, I watch to see the process of problem solving that a professional like Reg or August uses for a given tree and add that to my mental database, both the technique and how they chose to think through the job. I don't think this is what most people watch YouTube videos of tree work for however.
Yep
Birdyman88
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OMG. I can't believe they concocted that story of root rot on the other tree just so they could take it down to solve the cluster f--k they made of the first tree. That's sad. I don't really see a problem with cutting it free from stump, but they should have done that right from the git-go with an appropriate cut. Then they could have found a more favorable angle to set up the GRCS and pull that thing sideways out of the tangle? Maybe I'm wrong, but it looks like they were pulling on at least a 75* downward angle which ain't really gonna do much to free it up. And wedging it through that tangle? C'mon. I can't believe they don't have enough common sense not to post this stuff on the web for everyone to see. Not trying to be hater, but damn.
southsoundtree
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Believe it!
Holy Sh@t !!
And all these years everyone has Laminated Root Disease attributes to the wrong causal organism.
I didn't know it was from armillaria.
What a basic mistake everyone else has been making.
Holy Sh@t !!
And all these years everyone has Laminated Root Disease attributes to the wrong causal organism.
I didn't know it was from armillaria.
What a basic mistake everyone else has been making.
Stumpsprouts
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And the saws, and the cranes.
ATH
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Drama sells.
It's boring a snot watching everything goes smooth all day... Well unless you're trying to learn how to make things go smooth! Then it's fascinating to see how a true expert pulls it off.
Heck, look at this thread: nine pages because a crane tipped over. I doubt We get past three posts if somebody starts with "everything went perfect today..."
It's boring a snot watching everything goes smooth all day... Well unless you're trying to learn how to make things go smooth! Then it's fascinating to see how a true expert pulls it off.
Heck, look at this thread: nine pages because a crane tipped over. I doubt We get past three posts if somebody starts with "everything went perfect today..."
The way in which they approached this Fir showed a real lack of experience in dealing with hung up trees like this one. This tree was never gonna get the kind of forward movement that was needed to get it to clear the nearby Fir. What was really needed was some downward movement, which was easily had by a few properly executed slice/salami cuts...I have cleared dozens and dozens and dozens of hangers like this, and generally a series of well executed slice cuts is all that is needed. In tougher cases the assistance of a tagline may also need to be employed.
Almost all the forces here were pushing this tree into its stump, and the fact that the cutter continued with his backcut until the tree sat on his saw, forcing him to pull his powerhead, is a clear indication that he didn’t have a clear understanding of the forces/dynamics at play here.
Since he didn’t begin this task with a slice cut, and he didn’t use a slice cut after they finally got this tree off of its stump, I am left wondering if anyone on the job possessed the skills needed to perform a series of proper slice cuts on a tree this size.
And yes, it is utter bullshit that they resorted to needlessly killing the 2nd Fir.
All kidding aside, these guys don’t need to turn off the saws and cranes. They just need to turn off the fucking cameras for awhile, and get a little better at their craft. They owe it to this industry that they clearly love, and their 225,000 subscribers.
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@southsoundtree I feel like maybe you've been using sarcasm more recently, but can't actually tell.
evo
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Agreed, I hear from clients all the time, the only safe way to remove this tree is with a bucket truck, this is after the bucket company bids the job first. So I leave them with the impression I’m a reckless hack..
evo
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Most of em are around here
Birdyman88
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You know, this company here has pretty much set the gold standard for arb video. How can you not feel at least a little inadequate trying to post a vid after seeing something from their channel. They have one on their YT channel where they're actually using a tape to make sure they don't exceed the crane's capacity. Must be a bunch of nerds up there
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Ace is elite level. Big fan of their work, but the Phil Collins music. Come on man.You know, this company here has pretty much set the gold standard for arb video. How can you not feel at least a little inadequate trying to post a vid after seeing something something from their channel. They have one on their YT channel where they're actually using a tape to make sure they don't exceed the crane's capacity. Must be a bunch of nerds up there
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