Contract climbers

Elaphant , knew it , not drinking tonight . You just are suffering from a serious case of BS. I drink on fridays , I isten to BS every day , than I read it , bring your A game , I know the deal ..".We can't offord or have enough work to keep a climber of you caliber busy year round ." If get a hold of Ryans ear I'll help him to charge you double what he does now . Want me to start drinking now ? sh*t can't! I have to sub tommorow , my main goal is to make the elaphant look good , I might even say my prayers tonight so that they make as much money as possible and I don't even care if I get paid . Whan I grow up I want to hunt elaphants , but only with the proper insurance and certificates of course .
 
You know what Chopper , I feel the love . I do get the heart checked , I'm not in the exit line . For real , if you want to talk about contract climbing , and listen to an accountant writing for a Industry magazine , well than it's like that movie money ball . Actually with the new Health care laws , sub contractors are gonna be all over the board . That really is the main reason TCIA wrote those articles . Think about it son , why'd they write it ? who wrote it ? Why now ? TCIA is just like everyone else , they have to justify their presence . Don't worry about me staying alive , worry about who wants your money more than you ! WORD
 
Just read your posts Ryan. Im not a TCIA member so I haven't read the article. Can you post it here? Do I wanna read it even?

Unless you've been implicated or affected personally, then I wouldn't give it a second thought. Why would you.

People write BS all the time, there's bull$hitters getting away with it in every industry. It doesn't really matter.

In the past the Tree Company has pre-arranged for the Homeowner to write 2 cheques....one for them and one for me. Just a thought.
 
I've always felt that after the NAA morphed itself into the TCIA and began writing rules and regulations where contractors who aren't CA's were excluded from bidding on certain city and municipal contracts, that it was the beginnings of an attempt to form a quasi trade union in the tree biz.

Perhaps good for beginners and worn out veterans, but pure kryptonite for high production outfits and climbers who can run circles around their competition.

Call me Henry Stamper with my arm at the top of the tugboat flipping the internationally recognized bird...

jomoco
 
Maybe I am off on my own here but,
'People with my skill set take years to train and are expensive to keep on staff'.
This notion is great every one is chasing the buck.
I've been studying and working with trees for 10 1/2 years now. Full time climber for over 8, crew leader and h&s rep for over 6 Isa cert and other local affiliations.
I have a decent resume and I can hold my own climbing and rigging.

Can I get a big whoop whoop for me.

I've been working with the same company for over 8 years my boss was good enough to give me a job when I was a caulky green idiot take the time to train me to the level I'm at. I'm one of 2 that dive into the nasties and rock the big wood but my boss and his company got me here.

So now I can tackle the storm damage on the house but that doesn't put me above pruning a lilac, our industry is customer service.

So I'm just saying you're soo expensive cause you are so awesome doing what they poured time money and resources into for you. I can go else where for a couple bucks more but loyalty states that we do the best we can for each other. He gives me enough to get me to give it my all because he gave me my all to give.

So before you point out how awesome and expensive you are think about the shoulders you are standing on up there.
 
Whoop whoop
Personally I've bought every piece of gear I own. $8,500+ not including saws. Spent my own money to fly to Texas and do an arbormastor program. Learned most I know from Gerry Beranek dvds, sherrill tree catalogue illustrations, books, treebuzz, youtube, and using my brain to problem solve on the job.
My career industry has been commercial fishing. Captains talk about having made men out of us deckhands which to some extent they have, but we also make them hundreds of thousands of dollars a season.
No one should get mad when you make a move to advance your career if it's not done in a dishonest manner if they truly care about you too.
 
I partially agree with you Kevin. I have much respect for the people who gave me the opportunities to "practice" on their jobs. Although from day one I always made people money while I was working on their jobs. Also, I can remember people who taught me certain things here or there but, I take credit for the drive that I had to get me to this point. No one gave me that.
 
I get where you're coming from, but I have to say that your attitude of "I don't want to be an employee because I don't want to be limited; I don't want to be an employer because I don't want the headache" is detrimental in this business. There's a reason why people trust tree services as opposed to individual contractors: because they don't specialize, they provide everything (tree trimming, pruning, shaping, removal, stump grinding, storm cleanup, etc.), they're licensed and insured, they are a team of people who have worked together multiple times so they're able to get things done efficiently, and they don't treat each job as a one-off thing - they do great jobs at great rates so they can retain a customer base. In Oregon we take tree services very seriously - the best are small teams like the tree services in Salem, Oregon.
 
KellsMcG said:
I get where you're coming from, but I have to say that your attitude of "I don't want to be an employee because I don't want to be limited; I don't want to be an employer because I don't want the headache" is detrimental in this business. There's a reason why people trust tree services as opposed to individual contractors: because they don't specialize, they provide everything (tree trimming, pruning, shaping, removal, stump grinding, storm cleanup, etc.), they're licensed and insured, they are a team of people who have worked together multiple times so they're able to get things done efficiently, and they don't treat each job as a one-off thing - they do great jobs at great rates so they can retain a customer base. In Oregon we take tree services very seriously - the best are small teams like
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Seems like your post is more of an advertisement than a response to a topic.
 
Bixler said:
You go Ryan! Do your thing, it's not easy to change or start a movement... Not too sure on the whole IRS deal but keep working safe with no damage and your good to go. Charge top dollar because there is no room for error, taking down trees safely near obsticals is something special.

It would be interesting to read the article...
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Plus .. let’s keep it real ... EVERYONE knows a plumber or an electrician, but not tree climbers .. if they need us .. they’re gonna pay what it costs
 
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