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moss said:
It is super interesting to dig into scientific papers on these diseases. Consensus from a known science point of view on West Nile Virus is it has been endemic in Africa then Europe for a very long time. The variant active in North America is positively identified through genetic analysis to be from the same viral line. An analysis I looked at that on the subject referenced 32 papers, each with multiple authors doing independent original research worldwide. Just saying.
-AJ
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I’m not at all familiar with WNV interesting. Thanks.
 
Steve Connally said:
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Phone so please excuse the typos and the lack of great grammar. Have you teased all that out in terms of Lyme ? The proliferation of cases coincides with the timeline of the facility. That’s not to say it’s proof but it certainly provides a shadow of doubt in a natural coincidence. If you research the FOIA documents that are declassified surrounding the facility you find more compelling information. Throughly history tribes and government has used natural pathogens as weapons. Anthrax, Ricin, smallpox, botulism, lice, dead infected bodies and infected rodents dropped out of airplanes. Sometimes the bad people do use natural occurring things as leverage to win whatever they’re competing in. There is so much history about this and it’s easily verifiable. I guess my question to you would be, based on the world history of using natural occurring bad stuff to hurt people, why is it not possible this time? We have smallpox to the Indians rite? Why wouldn’t we research using ticks as a vector. Why do we still have BSL4 labs and why is DARPA involved. I’m not trying to convince you it’s true. I’m just asking for a good reason it’s not. Maybe we just look and say hmmm. That’s interesting and decide if we want to entertain the thoughts or not. No No No it’s not true because it’s not just doesn’t float with me. I have a book on order looking at the subject. After reading it I might feel completely different. Who know. Personally I’m not saying it’s true but I’m very willing to consider the hypothesis.
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Yep, possible. Likely? In view of the more probable causes not likely. It’s so complicated, requires so many moving parts in sync, don’t think so.
-AJ
 
moss said:
Yep, possible. Likely? In view of the more probable causes not likely. It’s so complicated, requires so many moving parts in sync, don’t think so.
-AJ
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Many many things have occurred that have too many moving parts and seem so unlikely. Appreciate your honest response. I will respectfully disagree. Thanks for being objective and adding some great discussion points!!

It could be simple thought. Researching a tick born vector. One gets outside and a bird brings it ashore. Or it’s just outside on one of the many livestock they used for testing. Lots of leaks from that lab. Lots of contamination. There’s lots of OSHA and other documents citing their lack of safety and controls.
 
There has been a strong escalation of tick-borne diseases in the northern hemisphere over 50 years at least. The current thinking is that climate warming is improving habitat for tick vectors like wild rodents (primary Lyme vector for example), northern Europe/Scandinavia is heavily effected as is the northern U.S. and Canada.
-AJ
 
Steve Connally said:
Geographically coincidental to the location we’re discussing. Again not saying proof. Just saying it’s interesting to consider.


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That is a cool graphic. If a cargo ship from a northern European port docked in NYC and a dozen rats or mice carrying the Lyme causing spirochete came ashore the same map above would support that theory of introduction. If 500 ships docking in NYC area ports over 60 years “leaked” small amounts of infected rodents, a critical mass would eventually be reached and the disease would escape into the northeast U.S. Not saying that is known to have happened but the probability vs. a secret government program is much higher.
-AJ
 
Steve Connally said:
Many many things have occurred that have too many moving parts and seem so unlikely. Appreciate your honest response. I will respectfully disagree. Thanks for being objective and adding some great discussion points!!

It could be simple thought. Researching a tick born vector. One gets outside and a bird brings it ashore. Or it’s just outside on one of the many livestock they used for testing. Lots of leaks from that lab. Lots of contamination. There’s lots of OSHA and other documents citing their lack of safety and controls.
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Something to consider is that Lyme disease was already endemic in the northeast U.S. before the Plum Island facility existed.
-AJ
 
moss said:
That is a cool graphic. If a cargo ship from a northern European port docked in NYC and a dozen rats or mice carrying the Lyme causing spirochete came ashore the same map above would support that theory of introduction. If 500 ships docking in NYC area ports over 60 years “leaked” small amounts of infected rodents, a critical mass would eventually be reached and the disease would escape into the northeast U.S. Not saying that is known to have happened but the probability vs. a secret government program is much higher.
-AJ
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I can see that point. What I’ll argue back is, what year did the significant increase start and what year did the USDA really crack down on those vectors on cargo ships.? I’m sure you know the significant inspections and countermeasures they use to prevent that from happening all the way down to the types of wood allowed in packing material and the fumigation needed in order for them to even be able to dock. Lots of stuff starts happening inside our side of international waters. It’s not my graphic and I tried to pull it from a reputable verifiable source so if you poo poo the graphic then you are calling out the CDC for fraudulent data not me. I didn’t make it.
Still say there is a pattern of secret operations we eventually find out about and lots of documents are released years later proving the conspiracy theories. Have you looked into the possibility of the tick research what exactly they were researching on Plumb Island? Just saying.
 
moss said:
That is a cool graphic. If a cargo ship from a northern European port docked in NYC and a dozen rats or mice carrying the Lyme causing spirochete came ashore the same map above would support that theory of introduction. If 500 ships docking in NYC area ports over 60 years “leaked” small amounts of infected rodents, a critical mass would eventually be reached and the disease would escape into the northeast U.S. Not saying that is known to have happened but the probability vs. a secret government program is much higher.
-AJ
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The enhanced maps I didn’t link pinpoint it much closer to Lyme CT. I couldn’t put my hands on those rite away.
 
First documented Lyme case in the uS 1975.
CDC starts Lyme surveillance in 1982
Borrreliosis found in a 1500 year old mummy in North America.
The European species of the bacteria are not the same as the North American according to the NIH
plumb Island Animal Disease Center opened in 1954
1977 African Swine Fever used against the pig population in Cuba was linked back to Plumb Island
1949 Dr Erich Traub was brought from Soviet Germany to the US. He was a Nazi, verified and proven. He came to the Us during WWII while they were the enemy to study with our military doctors. then back to Germany where he was captured and forced to work for the soviets. Rescued by the British Later to work for Bethesda on the offshore animal lab at Plumb Island. Affiliated with Nazi groups in NYC being investigated by the Gov but not him.

It’s really interesting. Little disturbing but interesting. I guess it’s all what you wanna research and what you’re open to. There’s so much more to the story but I won’t go on and on.
 
This is more specific on the timeline of the presence of ticks carrying Lyme well before the Plum Island lab. Although Telford’s explanation of why Lyme expanded so rapidly in more recent history is off the cuff and likely not true. He’s an infectious disease expert not an ecologist. It’s now accepted that white-tailed deer are an incidental vector not primary. Climate warming is blamed for improving habitat and opportunities for ticks and vector species.

https://now.tufts.edu/2019/07/18/ly...nspiracy-theorists-say-unleashed-ticks-public

This is illustrative of how tipping points are reached and a given species or related disease can suddenly explode. Nature is not a smooth operation, things change and sometimes very quickly. This is “normal” and doesn’t require specific secret actions by government entities.
-AJ
 
moss said:
This is more specific on the timeline of the presence of ticks carrying Lyme well before the Plum Island lab. Although Telford’s explanation of why Lyme expanded so rapidly in more recent history is off the cuff and likely not true. He’s an infectious disease expert not an ecologist. It’s now accepted that white-tailed deer are an incidental vector not primary. Climate warming is blamed for improving habitat and opportunities for ticks and vector species.

https://now.tufts.edu/2019/07/18/ly...nspiracy-theorists-say-unleashed-ticks-public

-AJ
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Thanks. I’ll read that tonight. If I share a video with you will you watch it?
 
Well, I asked Steve about Covid 19 because I kind a had a grip that he'd really searched around about corvid-19. But if he doesn't want to talk about it but instead wants to talk about Lyme disease then that's fine. He must have some reasons for that.
So ? Does anyone knows about any corvid-19 conspiracy theories ? Where is that came from and what's the Dr. Fauch's rule before the corvid-19 and after Corvid-19 has started spread ?
 
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Pinhead Squirrel said:
Well, I asked because I kind a had a clip that he'd really searched around about corvid-19. But if he doesn't want to talk about it that's fine. So ? Does anyone knows about any corvid-19 conspiracy ?
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I have and I won't. Like I said, I've watched enough destruction between people to know I don't wanna put my energy into an internet dispute where I can't look the person in the eye and talk. I was on the COOF thread her once, stayed for 15 minutes and vowed to never ever return. I will end up feeling much differently about some folks than I do and probably them me. The entire world has lost its shit over this and I won't discuss it online. Wanna have a beer or a coffee and pick my brain? I'm all in, if you can maintain civility and not get triggered. I'm asking to keep COVID off this thread and in its own place on the existing thread. This has been a moderately respectful dialogue and I promise you, as soon as you introduce that, civility will leave and so will I. But.....thats your choice and others. I don't own this thread so do as you see fit.
 
moss said:
This is more specific on the timeline of the presence of ticks carrying Lyme well before the Plum Island lab. Although Telford’s explanation of why Lyme expanded so rapidly in more recent history is off the cuff and likely not true. He’s an infectious disease expert not an ecologist. It’s now accepted that white-tailed deer are an incidental vector not primary. Climate warming is blamed for improving habitat and opportunities for ticks and vector species.

https://now.tufts.edu/2019/07/18/ly...nspiracy-theorists-say-unleashed-ticks-public

This is illustrative of how tipping points are reached and a given species or related disease can suddenly explode. Nature is not a smooth operation, things change and sometimes very quickly. This is “normal” and doesn’t require specific secret actions by government entities.
-AJ
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I have actually read that Moss but thanks for the refresher. Good information to consider. I'll pm the video. Just look at it objectively. I really like their work and they aren all "conspiracy". Some of their subject matter might interest you and their video production is fantastic. They've been around for a while.
 
Understood.
As I mentioned before the things and entities , the group of people that I know thinks we are just a bunch of live stocks. Round all of us up and they do things over us . But No hard feelings. When they are conducting the way they are doing then we can't be too . Fair games. Remember , they are part of us and where they came from are from where we are but they aren't. They speaks like us , they looks just like us , they says such a sweet opinions and words, tickles our group consciousness to makes us think the are representing all of us to be better. Well , that the trap. but actually they aren't for us. They kills us. Literally .
They are just utilitising us for his or her or the group where they belongs . That's the difficult part to deal with emotionally.
No. they aren't. So, We need to stick with "Fair games" no need to create insurgence, no riots. But KNOW & AWARE . Otherwise , we gets forget and they keep repeating their cycles of games to us and next generations to come.

So ? Does anyone knows about any corvid-19 conspiracy theories ? Where is that came from and what's the Dr. Fauch's rules before the corvid-19 and after Corvid-19 has started spread ?
 
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