cherry top

The small Cherry top was rigged and tied from the ground and was butt heavy . The limb was tied off till you had control of it , and your plan was to cut n bail and pull the limb . Why did the limb drop 5 to 10 feet before the rope caught it? that is why so much dead broke out . The top lowering line in the tree wasn't set up as well as it could have been . The piece was not that big , probally should ( could) have taken it a little bigger since you were pussing out on the cut anyway ( I mean edumakating safety with the runaway hinge cut) . You could( should) have hung a block correctly , pulled the limb snug , stayed with the cut and let it drop off smooth , maybe lower the but, nah , too easy ( very possible, on Planet Earth though) . That worked , just what you want to do with a dead top in a tree over a fence , shake it pull it yank it . Shake , pull and yank , you'll grow hair on your palms and go blind , thats what I've heard . Time for a cane and Palm comb ?
*** The SPY rigging , Shake -Pull- Yank , how's that sound for a rigging class , the title will be...

The Runaway Hinge Cut Incorporating SPY Rigging
 
The Runaway Hinge Cut

I want to sign up for the Shake-Pull-Yank rigging class featuring the Runaway Hinge Cut. I have a solid background in pulling, but my shaking is iffy, and I can only get it to yank rarely, mostly on accident. But I can run very quickly, and describe what I'm doing while on the move . . . so I should be competent with the hinge work?

Ok, let me know when it's a go . . .
 
Do you really want to know the answer to that question?.. seems like you have your mind made up. and certainly think you know what I "should" have done based on the limited info in the video.

The limb dropped so far because the overhead annchor point was at the same height as the tie off point. Thus the top was going to drop however many feet (I'd guess 12-15) the two points were away from each other.. You make a bad assumption in saying the lower line wasn't set up as well as it could have been.

Also another bad assumption in saying that is why so much deadwood fell. If you watch the video carefully you can see that the deadwood was off before the top dropped fully onto the rope. This was expected. If you listen carefully, you can hear me say on the very first scene (shooting the big shot) "the knot is on the bottom and its gonna want to roll to the top at some point". I was talking about the running bowline on the top. Because it was set up from the ground, the knot was on the belly, and it was bound o flip around at some point as the weight came onto the line. And the top of that tree was dead for some time and just hanging on as dead cherry does.

Again if you watch it closely the dead tops broke out early. The piece leaned into the adjacent limbs in the canopy, hung on for a second before the tops broke out. After the tops broke out the piece dropped into the rigging and then twisted slightly... So the dead top got slightly limb locked on the adjacent canopy and hung on til it broke out. Only then did the piece drop fully into the rigging.

So nothing you suggest below would have kept that deadwood from falling. It was apparent to me that it would be falling away from me, but you never know if a piece is gonna catch just wrong and get thrown back at you from the spring of the adjacent tree. I took the safe route and set up the cut with a remote trip becasue I could.

You might be one of the best at putting big wood on the ground, but your pre-conceptions, bad assumptions and analysis of the video are just as wrong as any weekend warrior or pimple faced kid on this site.

Bottom line is this was $770 low bid job and we were on site for 1 hour 45 min. Job was done safely. Stay in your box if that works for you..


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The small Cherry top was rigged and tied from the ground and was butt heavy . The limb was tied off till you had control of it , and your plan was to cut n bail and pull the limb . Why did the limb drop 5 to 10 feet before the rope caught it? that is why so much dead broke out . The top lowering line in the tree wasn't set up as well as it could have been . The piece was not that big , probally should ( could) have taken it a little bigger since you were pussing out on the cut anyway ( I mean edumakating safety with the runaway hinge cut) . You could( should) have hung a block correctly , pulled the limb snug , stayed with the cut and let it drop off smooth , maybe lower the but, nah , too easy ( very possible, on Planet Earth though) . That worked , just what you want to do with a dead top in a tree over a fence , shake it pull it yank it . Shake , pull and yank , you'll grow hair on your palms and go blind , thats what I've heard . Time for a cane and Palm comb ?
*** The SPY rigging , Shake -Pull- Yank , how's that sound for a rigging class , the title will be...

The Runaway Hinge Cut Incorporating SPY Rigging

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That was amazing! Excellent use of spurs for pruning. That's right top of the industry standard. Im sure that ragged step cut made a beautiful finish cut as well. Superior rigging skills. Hell, that hardly shock loaded that line at all dropping 10-15 feet. You are a god among men!!

All hail D. Murphy!!!!
 
Really , haven't had a pimple in over thirty years . I think I was spot on , I'll keep it civil ,you have enough drama to deal with . You used your cut in the wrong situation ( like the concept), kind of like you forced it , and you had the top of the tree rigged wrong . One hour and fourty five minutes you had plenty of time to do that job smoothly . You chose to tie your lines vertical and cut your "special" cut , and bailed . Don't bs me , been there done that . The angle of the dangle has to meet the heat of the meat . Old saying , in the corner of the box , to the right , there , on the bottom , thats it . That was not smooth , I would never do it that way , so either my box is bigger or you are just set in your ways of rough riding and hiding . Tell me that that could not have been done smoother in the same amount of time , go ahead . Next time set your lines right , and stop making your lazy rigging sound like it is top notch out of the box .
reckless rigging of cherry top , watch and learn , but know that it can be done smooth and safe in the same amount of time ( while in the tree) . You don't get it , Murph , it's okay . You get it done though and you can make microwave popcorn and watch it and wonder why no one else does the way you do . It's okay . really . Running from your cuts in a tree and on the ground is a hell of a way to do a job you love . Face your fears don't create them .
 
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You get it done though and you can make microwave popcorn and watch it and wonder why no one else does the way you do .

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ha ha............nice one
 
Did you take the time to watch the video again?

OF COURSE NOT!.. if you had you wouldn't be repeating the same nonsense... You weren't there.. can't tell about the set up from the video.. the top breaking out is cut off in frame, and you're gonna make a proclamation about what was done wrong... PLEASE! and they call me an egomaniac..

THAT TOP WAS BREAKING OUT NO MATTER WHAT.. Watch the VIDEO.. it clearly breaks out before the piece drops.. I like smooth too..... when I AM dancing, making love, or reducing shock loads.. Here.. I wanted the piece on the ground asap, with miniml personal effort and no chance of injury..

Put the beer and the John Wayne mentality aside and watch the video CAREFULLY... You'll see what I AM talking about.. Does anyone out there have "ears to hear and eyes to see"?
 
are you wearing armor under your sweatshirt?if not I would recommmend yogurt for Bfast..followed by more exercise.

could have climbed the other tree and dealt with it.....

do you look for confrontation D?
 
of course not..
yes there were other options that may be more suitable to your specific set of skills and strengths.. this one worked well for me.. I doubt you would have had it down any faster and certainly not any easier or safer..
 
I would just like to add that I have used the plunged step cut on a number of occasions lately and it has worked great...Only to trip the hinge I have been using a rope puller...Thanks for the idea Daniel
 

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