Challenges with getting rope into multiSLING...

Zebco Kid

Zebco Kid

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Hello All,

When climbing, I employ a cambium saver device to protect the tree. I either use a Dan House Rope Sleeve, or a multiSLING.

No problems with the sleeve. However, we I place the multiSLING in the tree, then attempt to pull the rope up and through, I have a heck of a time getting it through the small ring (which it must enter first. Sometimes, I'm able to swing the rope, and pull the throw line simultaneously, allowing the end of the rope to feed in. More often than not, I simply can't get the rope to enter. I then abort the effort, and put the sleeve up, collecting the multiSLING while I'm climbing.

Is there a trick to this technique? Is the multiSLING better for up-close deployment, and there are slings more appropriate for deployment from the ground?

Thank you.

ZK
 
I’ve never used that particular friction saver, but have used similar friction savers with rings. How are you attaching the throwline to your rope? And what is the termination like on the rope? A bowline tied through the spliced eye of my rope has always worked for me.

I pull the rope up until it is a few inches below the ring, then give a sharp tug on the throwline, and that usually pulls the rope through. Pulling slow does not work, but a sharp tug/yank usually does.

I also have set up ropes for a friend’s outdoor rock wall that has rings mounted at the top of the wall for the belay lines. In that case, I made a little loop using a short piece of throw line that I tied on to the dead end of the rope using two double fisherman’s knots, and put a little heat shrink on to secure it. Same thing, tie on the throw line and give a quick, sharp tug to pull the rope through the rings.
 
Tom Ness shared what has become known...no surprise...a Ness Loop.

Various ways to insert a short loop of throwline into the end of a climbing line to make a throwline attachment point.

If I don't have a Ness Loop I secure the throwline about 6" from the end of the rope using a pile hitch. then one or two marls or half hitches. Then the finish is two half hitches snugged down as close to the end of the rope as I can.
 
Reach,

I like your suggestion. I will give that technique a try. I think the inline pull will help. Nothing particular about my particular friction saver. A small aluminum ring. I am using a sewn eye frequently, although I have ropes that have no sewn eyes.

Tom, I have been employing the pile hitch and half hitches. I really pull the half hitches tight, so it seems as though all should slide through with ease. Sometimes it makes it...sometimes not. Today was a not.
 
Zebco Kid said:
Reach,

I like your suggestion. I will give that technique a try. I think the inline pull will help. Nothing particular about my particular friction saver. A small aluminum ring. I am using a sewn eye frequently, although I have ropes that have no sewn eyes.

Tom, I have been employing the pile hitch and half hitches. I really pull the half hitches tight, so it seems as though all should slide through with ease. Sometimes it makes it...sometimes not. Today was a not.
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The inline pull definitely makes a big difference.

Tom’s suggestion works great if the rope is turned the right direction. If not, in my experience, sometimes the rope will catch on the ring and just bunch itself up and then it just won’t go through. Sometimes rotating the rope to reorient the end will make it go through, other times I have found that it just won’t go.
 
Maybe silly, but pulling the right way (from big ring/ biner towards small)? I've found multisaver/ multianchor/ fimblesaver (and to be fair some custom ring and ring setups) to be fussy sometimes depending on rope diameter, spliced end that's very stiff, the splice whipping covered with thick shrink tubing and just weird angles sometimes, if you're trying to pull down with a spliced end (works OK with some ropes, others you need the unspliced end). Pulleysaver presented far fewer problems. All the various systems I have, use a variety of different sized retrieval balls too which make match up fun at times. I like leather sleeves over house sleeve - just seems more "earthy"? Everyone has had problems with tight forks, so don't beat yourself up about these.
 
Good thoughts, Ghostice.

The multiSLING is really versatile in the canopy. Perhaps to stay on the belt for a other purposes. I hear you on the leather sleeves. I went with what my instructor suggested. They're nice to work with. A bit heavy, I think. Markings make it nice to see when it's centered properly on a limb.
 
A small detail came to mind.

Sometimes the length between the choked limb and the two rings of a false crotch is too short. There is a 'sweet spot' length that allows the rings to move around and get a good alignment. Too short and the rings are sorta locked in place.

A couple of turns of electrical tape makes a nice taper too.
 
Sewn eyes can be tough to get through small rings. And Tom is right about the ideal length of sling helping with alignment of the rings.

What are you using on the other end of the sling to act as a ring?

You could try the alternate method of feeding the rope through the small ring first, before the multiSling is hauled into the tree. You have to feed enough so that both ends will remain on the ground once the sling is hauled up using the throwline and weight though the remaining ring. Once you pull it up and over the limb, drop the weight back down, remove the weight and tie the throwline on to the rope end and pull the rope up and through the remaining ring. Buckingham shows instructions on page 2 of this document: Friction Saver Instructions Problem you might encounter is that the rope weight will be too much to keep the multiSling in place on the limb while you drop the throw weight back down. Has to be a light rope, a limb or crotch with a lot of friction, and/or a crotch that's not too high (less rope weight).
 
Tuebor,

The other end of the sling is a Petzl Rollclip - Tract-lock. I picked this idea up from a a couple YouTube posts.

These were the great videos that inspired me to explore this device and techniques:




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