Caution Treestuff lag bolts

I don't want to get in the middle of the TreeStuff Sherrill debate but I am wondering why you would be using lags. No judgement just wondering. There are several other cabling options out there these days that are very simple and effective. Is there a reason you prefer lags? Just curious really
 
livefreeordie said:
I don't want to get in the middle of the TreeStuff Sherrill debate but I am wondering why you would be using lags. No judgement just wondering. There are several other cabling options out there these days that are very simple and effective. Is there a reason you prefer lags? Just curious really
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It's his choice, to use whatever he wants. They are still effective in many applications. Just because they failed does not mean that it's his fault for not choosing an eye bolt.
 
ROYCE said:
It's his choice, to use whatever he wants. They are still effective in many applications. Just because they failed does not mean that it's his fault for not choosing an eye bolt.
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Oh I totally agree it's definitely not his fault. I was kind just redirecting the thread a bit cause I was curious. I don't personally use lags other then in the occasional ornamental tree that requires support but isn't large enough for another system. But we use eye bolts, rig guys and cobra cause every system has its own application.
 
livefreeordie said:
Oh I totally agree it's definitely not his fault. I was kind just redirecting the thread a bit cause I was curious. I don't personally use lags other then in the occasional ornamental tree that requires support but isn't large enough for another system. But we use eye bolts, rig guys and cobra cause every system has its own application.
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Oh, I see. They are not my go to choice for cabling either. Only in ornamentals like you mentioned. However I have seen a lot of cases where they have been useful. They sure are easy to install though. Makes the cable bucket a lot lighter:)
 
flyingsquirrel25 said:
It's not just the lives of me and you either. It's our clientele and our family's. What would happen if there was a failure that killed someone? Would we have a Kong ring situation again? Everyone pointing fingers? And the tree company owner left holding the bag! No thank you.
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I think there is a bit of perspective loss going on here. If someone is installing a lag bolt in a tree that has the potential to kill someone ( not saying you are or aren't) then that is the problem. We aren't talking about a life support link in our climbing system. I wonder if you are going to throw out any piece of gear you own made by treestuff or stitched/spliced by ABR because a lag bolt broke. Now I am not saying they shouldn't stand behind everything they sell and nick's response certainly did not suggest intent to diffuse the situation as soon as possible. However, publicly bashing a company because a piece of hardware that (in my opinion) should only be used for low risk ornamental trees, broke, is uncalled for. I don't care if its treestuff, sherrill, comcast, monsanto, etc.

The reaction is disproportionate to the incident. I wonder if pctree has a different ax to grind?
 
My companies focus is large removals. I rarely trim trees as our equipment offers us no advantage for trimming. That being said we sometimes have a job where the customer wants a cable, as I said in my first post we rarely do them and the process doesn't really interest me, IMO if it needs a cable , take it down don't put a band aid on it. As to why I didn't call TreeStuff about the issue is because they are now Sherrill and I do not do business with them as I would urge others to follow unless you feel like a monopoly will help our industry
 
bonner1040 said:
We continue to sell the same bolts we always have.
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But are the bolts themselves still the same as they always were???
I dunno. Do you?
Might be an interesting thing to investigate (kinda like the rope cycles to failure / strength tests you guys did awhile back).
Drill undersized holes in hardwood and see what torque values equal dia. J lags (from various suppliers) achieve before failing.
 
Not to take sides but to address some of the hyperbole. Nick took a "Ready, Fire, Aim" approach in his response. Not good. Word of advice Nick, focus on the issue not the personalities involved. How you respond is just as important as the outcome, if not more so. Communication my friend.

As for rationalizing coming here first to air this issue PCtree, that is just as misguided. Whether you do business with Sherrill or not is little justification. You did business with Treestuff and when a product they sold you failed, in what you estimate as a manufacturer's defect, required you to direct your efforts at them not jump on here to use it as an opportunity to take a swipe.

As for monopoly, it's far from it. There are plenty of competitors, both old and new that are vying for our business. If you were at the Expo then you would've met some of them. Some of them may even be sourcing their products from the same manufacturer. Do you think they would like to know if they need to remove this from their shelves?

I, more than most, will call out any company that produces, distributes, manufacturers or sells a defective product. However, I'll do that directly. Failing an appropriate response it might warrant going public or at the least, industry wide.

If it's faulty, we all want to know so we may be able to retire any of these we may have in inventory. If it's not and it was something in the installation that would be useful as well.
 
CutHighnLetFly said:
@treehumper I don't always agree with what you say, but damnit you hit nails on the head brother. Nice post.

Bunch of dirt kicking here, but thanks @pctree for posting this as it could save someone problems, even if your motive was to have a chance to whine about Sherrill again.

Hey guys, did you know he has a problem with Sherrill tree? Has he mentioned that??
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@CutHighnLetFly Whining is what you are doing.
Paul has valid concerns regarding Sherrill. Many of us do. Are you even listening?
 
It's like watching your brother/sister starting to hang out with questionable characters. Next thing you know they are lost in drugs and crime. Corporate greed and irresponsibility!
 
I don't know. Just spit balling here. Maybe just maybe if we don't know the ENTIRE history and story here with Paul/Sherrill/Nick maybe we should keep our opinions me to ourselves.

I don't agree with every post everyone makes nor do I feel like I need to give the world my opinion on something that has no effect on my day. Just saying. If you wanna throw rocks at Paul get the back story first then make an educated assessment. Just sayin
 
As a general word of caution without even getting into this debate....Do you guys understand that Lag bolts in general are the bastard child of the fastener world. While many engineering and manufacturing standards acknowledge their existence none of them want them or will even agree on their use or criteria to be held to. Most are Grade 2 steel if you are lucky but not required. SS version are closer to Grade 5 steel by default but that once again is based on the steel that they are made from. Lag bolts are wood screws, not rigging hardware.

I almost deleted this after I wrote it but some good should come from this thread.

Paul let us know that Lags can twist off and to be alert when using them.

And hopefully I spread some knowledge about Lags that many of you may not have known.
 
Also when did it become too pc on here to gripe and bitch? If everyone got pummeled for saying their opinions we'd need a bunch of moderators. Thumb through the rant and rave threads. Trucks saws gear rope and dealers. Lots of smakimg around in there. It's a free forum. For some reason his us chapped my ass a bit this morning. Maybe I just didn't get enough sleep and my fever is back. Idk. Blast me if you choose I can take it.
 
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