Caught in the Middle

Toparboring

Toparboring

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Lansing, NY
OK here the deal there is a new tree service popping up. I found out it is a nephew of another tree service owner that I have done work for and have had given him some jobs that are out of my service(line clearance). Well in talking to the owner of the second service I have found out that his nephew may have taken equipment of his to start up his tree service. Now I know and many others have ha equipment stolen from you,but to have a good idea if not actually know where it is you get it back right. Well here where the middle comes in the owner wants me to make a call to have some work done and he shows up to have a chit chat with him, putting me in the middle of this family feud. Now I like to get buss. from the one but, know that the other has done what he has done well that peeves me off. So what do you think help out or set it up with someone else ?
 
This is something you have to decide. Sorry man, but you couldnt have laid out a more personal, volatile situation. You could do a lot of long term damage by getting in the middle of this one, especially being in what sounds like a close knit community.
 
Yeah it is you sneeze in one county and some says bless you in another. I just took over a couple pruning jobs in a high end area. So name blasting is something I don't need.
 
Might be hard to hide the fact that you are in kahoots with the uncle now that this is on TB. Have uncle get a friend to have something bid.
 
See that is the problem he needs someone who his nephew doesn't know. Most of the Arbs. in my area haven't really heard of the Buzz. The jobs that I have done for the uncle have been the way out of the way jobs that he can't use bucket truck on.
Here is the list of equipment
1. Saddle (buck pinnicle)
2. 2, Arb. Master climbing lines
3. 400' Stable braid rigging line
4. Block and Tackle set
5. Buck. spurs
6. Stihl 200t
7. Stihl 650 modded
8. PPE
9. Assortment of slings
10. Pole saws
This uncle is also the one that had his leg crushed during an ice storm,was in awakenings awhile back I came to reconsile with him over some things and helped him out with other arbs. through a tough time. That is what makes this a hard one.
 
I mean to see if the guy will come bid a job with the gear with the idea that the "customer" wants the job done same day if the price is reasonable. The "customer" can say that the job will be a "rush job" and s/he knows it will maybe cost a bit more. Maybe if there is confirmation that the guy is coming with the gear, the local police can be present.

The uncle can tell the police that the suspected thief will be meeting him with the stolen equipment. Make sure to have serial numbers for confirmation on the saws, as well as any descriptions, such as the modifications, and pictures.


You can help the guy with the idea, but not be a target for a revenge strike.
 
So you actually have to get some work done by this guy? The equipment you listed is only gonna come out of the truck when work begins, not during the bid.
 
I can set it up 2 ways ask to see if he wants to contract climb with me on a job. Or the rush storm damage job. For the cops just go down the road to my uncles house.
 
And then what? You have a swat team in ghillie suits waiting in the trees? Guy gets his throwbag out and suddenly the whole tree comes alive with paramilitary goons in hard rappel, inverted with H&K MP5's . . .

Tell the dipsh*t uncle to keep better track of his own gear, or call Chris Hansen and see if he's got time for this one - To Catch a Saddle Burglar.
 
I don't know about entrapment. I am only culturally familiar with it (cops and robbers tv).

This could be the world of lawyers and civil liberties and what is simple and just, just isn't that simple.

Bring stolen goods to a location without being asked to bring stolen goods seems to be different from asking someone to commit an illegal act.





Then there's vigilante justice, like the uncle shows up and encourages the nephew that he IS going to be returning the stolen gear. That's a different aspect all together.
 
When I was a kid I got my bike stolen. I found it, and riding it was another kid. We talked, and I walked away. He said that he bought it from his brothers friend. A few days later I ran into him again and gently talked him in to handing the bike over to me. I gave him 3 choices. One we could do the manly thing and fight over it. Two, I could call the cops on the spot and not let him leave till they showed. Or Three, he could let me leave with the bike. (he took #3)

A few days later a cop shows up to my dad's office looking for me. I called the cop the next day, and met with him. I got to keep the bike but the little sob call me in for stealing his bike. I felt bad, if his story were true he was a victim as well.
 
If this guy really stole this stuff, did the victim file a police report? If you set him up and took the stuff back you'd really be involved, he could come after you legally or illegally.

If the victim filed the report, they probaly asked "who do you think did it." Around these parts he may get pulled over on a the way to a job for a "dim tail light" and the cop could go from there.

I'd stay out of it.
 
The gear was taken over a period of time his nephew worked for him. I was talking to a bud and he is thinking of doing it just to see what comes of this kid. Just have a small removal done like actually do it and drive off and tell uncle . that way he is not around. This is something that has been going on for some time now. I am not doing anything till I know for sure that the equipment is stolen and there are not going to be name bashing. For now and most likely I am the Ref in this one. As for me taking his stuff for the uncle a no way this is his deal.
 
I would set the suspect up with a pending job you have with a client instead of you being directly involved.. Things can progress as they would and have the uncle show up to claim his property.. Does he really want charges or just his gear back.. Didn't hear about that part.

Your going to end up being the in this family dispute with the uncle and family being thankfull, but the other nephew slandering you left right and center..

If you can't set it up with a third party.. have one of the local detectives have a job called in and let him deal with this..

Climbers trying to be cops is tough work..

Just a thought

Denis LeBlanc
 
Once I get lied to I assume most to be a lie from that person. When someone starts a business with stolen equipment they will continue to be a shifty operator.

It's our moral resosibility to clean up the trade and assist these types to find their destiny (drywalling) as it reflects badly on all of us. It also helps a good operator get a good price for their work.

I would have no problem telling the uncle my suspicions making it clear they are only suspicions or the facts as I know them. But I could be a smoother operator and not ruffle so many feathers so that's just what I'd do.
 
Moral Question..

Well This is an interesting point.. Boreality brought up morallity..

What is the right thing to do.. what is the proper thing to do...

For each person this is in fact a moral delema to chose to do right by man kind or right for one self or for another.. and who are you going to be rightous with.. the owner of the gear who's been wronged or the nephew who doesn't know any better.

Here's an interesting perspective.

Help the nephew purchase used quality equipment and return the missing pieces to the uncle.. Thereby building confidence with both and coming out ahead.

Morality is only for us mortals..

Sorry.. Was reading the Bible today and was inspired.

Denis
 
to be honest with you , I don't know why you are involved . Step up and confront these two guys or shut up .WTF , Someone stole my sh*t , I would be all over it . If you knew someone stole my sh*t , I be all over you , If my nephew stole my sh*t , I be all over him and his family if it wasn't my own. How you got caught in the middle is your own dumb (DUMB) fault and you deserve what ever you get for being a pus ! BE a man and step up or step down . My name be uncle kick a** and he be nephew out cold , and you be , what are you ? middle ground is for chumps! go forward or retreat . Who put more money in your pocket ? cryin on the web is just as bad ,,middle school drama . Deal with it , hope you come out a man , cause your acting like a kid . Joke
 
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