Capitalists are psychopaths?

The original point stands, a relatively high percentage (compared to the general population) of big time Wall Street operators exhibit the personality traits of sociopaths and psychopaths. Clearly shows what it takes to achieve certain kinds of success. I doubt it's limited to U.S. or capitalism. A certain percentage of famous despots, power mongers and exploiters of any political or national affiliation likely fit the psychopath model. Capitalist systems probably provide more opportunities for the aspiring psychopath, just like it does for lots of people. Hey, the U.S. is good for psychopaths too! ;-)
-AJ
 
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and just for the record I actually AM a PSYcho!!! he he he ha ha blah bla h mwahhhhhh ha ha....see!!??

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As both Spock and Freud would no doubt say.......fascinating......

Jomoco
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I have to start by saying, I like money. I think we all have the right to go out and earn a huge bundle of it if we want... but there IS a line where it crosses into abuse.


If this conversation were acted upon and taken to it's reasonable conclusion, people showing sociopathic behavior would be involuntarily hospitalized. They are a danger to others and that's the defining characteristic clinical psychological disorder.
By even the lightest standards, powerful people like investment bankers are harmful to others on a grand scale. They utterly wrecked their own companies along with the GLOBAL economy, took a huge bailout from the very people they screwed... and then gave themselves RECORD bonuses.

If that ain't sociopathic then WTF? What are we gonna do, wait for them to start eating poor people next?
 
It's important to remember that Clinton signed the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act. In effect teeing it up for the Bush administration to knock us out of the park.

Dems and Reps working together to royally screw the vast majority of their constituents and make a fortune for a small handful of their true constituents.

Our govt has become hopelessly corrupt, and every body knows it.

Jomoco
 
Republican and Democrats are all the same, they have their favorite lobbyist and they spend their entire term passing laws to ensure the company those lobbyist represent rake in the money.

Obama is the worse yet, green energy, ge, planned parenthood are raking in the money, not to mention 2 trillion in stimulus that went God knows where.

We haven't seen true capitalism in this country for 50 maybe 100 years.
 
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7. Many Americans who do vote, vote in opposition to their own economic self-interest because they are consumed with puritanical stupidity. They're outraged by what others are doing in the bedroom while simultaneously ignorant of the fleecing they're getting from the boardrooms.



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Sound statements Glenn, every one. This one is the heartbreaker though. I'm sick of people worrying so much about limiting the freedom of others, all the while ignoring issues that are actually relevant, challenging and urgent. It's pathetic.

...and Bob, I think you mean 'sociopaths'. They are real and disturbingly common. Putting one in a position of authority or power is a recipe for abuse of whatever system they happen to have control over. They think people who feel and love are weak and deserve to be poor.

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This is the point Glenn made that I also think is 100% spot on, and extremely well articulated. Its especially true in your whacked out country. But I'm not so smug as to think it couldn't happen here.

And that's true what Chip says of sociopaths too. They have no idea what empathy is but they see it as a weakness that they do not possess, and can exploit.

There are many fabulous business builders and entrepreneurs wo do it for the passion of their business and the people in it. I had the pleasure of meeting the founder and owner of Peterbilt trucks not long ago and this man is truly one of the good ones. More than good really, a true philanthropist and not just for image. We had an amazing discussion. It was heartening to meet a good man. Rich for sure but not by American excessive standards.

One of the original points that many of the world's wealthiest though are social parasites and probable sociopaths rings true. Traders, bankers and marketers who did not build their own wealth through honest or fair work. I worked in gas marketing through the time of the Enron scandal. I know many of these players from sitting in the same boardrooms as them. And I can tell you from personal experience that these are not good men. Some were merely stupid and greedy and just riding the coat-tails of the 'genius' predators who designed the corrupt financial instruments that broke the system. Media reporting that followed may seem like hyperbole to some of you but I can tell you from my inside view that it was every bit as bad as the most negative portrayal possible. See the documenary "The Smartest Guys in the Room". Everything in that is true.
 
Right on Frax!

The old civilizations called it simony. The selling of ecclesiastical favors from a corrupt authority. Generally a church gone bad.

Our houses of congress are rife with simony and worse.

As I understand it, Canada is one of the few countries unmalled by the 08 crash because of its wiser banking practices limiting their exposure to toxic bundled mortgage securities.

Sounds like a good time to be a Canuck!

Jomoco
 
when I finally got around to reading 'Slaughterhouse Five', last month, the words of fictitious Howard S. Campbell couldn't have resonated more strongly in my experience, intellect, and unspoken sentiment:

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America is the wealthiest nation on Earth, but its people are mainly poor, and poor Americans are urged to hate themselves. To quote the American humorist Kin Hubbard, 'It ain't no disgrace to be poor, but might as well be.' It is in fact a crime for an American to be poor, even though America is a nation of poor. Every other nation has folk traditions of men who were poor but extremely wise and virtuous, and therefore more estimable than anyone with power and gold. No such tales are told by the American poor. They mock themselves and glorify their betters. The meanest eating or drinking establishment, owned by a man who is himself poor, is very likely to have a sign on its wall asking this cruel question: 'If you're so smart, why ain't You rich? ' There will also be an American flag no larger than a child's hand-glued to a lollipop stick and, flying from the cash register.

Americans, like human beings everywhere, believe many things that are obviously untrue, the monograph went on. Their most destructive untruth is that it is very easy for any American to make money. They will not acknowledge how in fact hard money is to come by, and, therefore, those who have no money blame and blame and blame themselves. This inward blame has been a treasure for the rich and powerful, who have had to do less for their poor, publicly and privately, than any other ruling class since, say, Napoleonic times. Many novelties have come from America. The most startling of these, a thing without precedent, is a mass of undignified poor. They do not love one another because they do not love themselves. Once this is understood the disagreeable behavior of American enlisted men in German prisons ceases to be a mystery.

Every other army in history, prosperous or not, has attempted to clothe even its lowliest soldiers so as to make them impressive to themselves and others as stylish experts in drinking and copulation and looting and sudden death. The American Army, however, sends its enlisted men out to fight and die in a modified business suit quite evidently made for another man, a sterilized but unpressed gift from a nose-holding charity which passes out clothing to drunks in the slums. When a dashingly-clad officer addresses such a frumpishly dressed bum, he scolds him, as an officer in an army must. But the officer's contempt is not, as in other armies, avuncular theatricality. It is a genuine expression of hatred for the poor, who have no one to blame for their misery but themselves. A prison administrator dealing with captured American enlisted men for the first time should be warned: Expect no brotherly love, even between brothers. There will be no cohesion between the individuals. Each will be a sulky child who often wishes he were dead.

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It's not hard to make money. In fact it's rather easy. What is hard, nearly impossible for many, is to stop wasting our money on useless crap and trivial pursuits that do nothing to improve one's situation. This is true for all classes, including those entrusted with spending other people's money.
 
What does it mean when America's humblest laborers loose their livelihoods to 15 cent an hour communist Chinese laborers?

What does that mean to every dead Vietnam and Korean war soldier that fought and died for their country not so long ago?

Stinks more like fascism than capitalism to me.

What kinda govt makes it legal to outsource the livelihoods of its poorest most vulnerable citizens?

It means both our political parties are thoroughly corrupt and be holding to multinational corps, who don't believe in competition, fairplay, or any of the principles our soldiers in Vietnam and Korea sacrificed their lives for.

They are amoralists that only worship profits and the accumulation of wealth to pass on to their psychotic silver spooned offspring to play drone god of the skies video games with in ROTC.

What's the difference between Obama and bush, Clinton and Romney, Enron and Halliburton, Worldcom and Barclays?

Globalist aspirations cannot be obtained with an intact sovereign US govt representing the best interests of its own citizenry both great and small.

Staying the course set by GWB and maintained by BHO will destroy this country, in my opinion.

The America of the 60's and 70's would have tarred and feathered any neocon buffoons in our govt promoting free trade with china at the expense of this country's humblest citizens, and their supposed rights in their own country.

jomoco
 
.99 Store?

Please tell me what can be manufactured, boxed, shipped, stored, transported, unpacked, priced, and rung up by an hourly employee for less than a dollar?

A purchase at many stores is tantamount to placing a dollar directly in the hands of a slave trader.
 
But who made it legal here in America to pit American labor against communist foreign labor at pennies on the dollar?

The bushes clintoons and obummers, that's who.

jomoco
 
We should start a blog! That'll get this mess straightened out!

Check out this article by Dmitry OrlovClosing the Collapse Gap.

His statement "Don't pay any attention to National Politicians- it only encourages them. They are a colossal distraction. Stay focused." pretty much sums up my post 35 political life.
 

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