Camp Gyro on rope bridge

Reach · Nov 19, 2021

Dan Cobb said:
No doubt DMM makes nice gear, but I think it's an abbreviation for Disappears My Money.

It is definitely expensive gear, but in my opinion it is worth the money. The smooth edges and the quick, simple, and easy deployment of their gear makes it worth something to me.

stheis004 · Nov 20, 2021

Aerial Traveler said:
I reread the technical notice from Camp. They don't specifically condemn the use of the Gyro on a rope bridge but they don't specifically endorse it either. It does talk about directly connecting rope or webbing knotted inside the attachment holes after removing the inserts. http://doc.camp.it/Manuali/GYRO_MANUALE r0.pdf

I think DMM took some time to condemn the use of the hitchclimber pulley on rope bridges back in the day. So maybe Camp will update the notice in the near future.

One of the best things about using the Gyro directly on the rope bridge is it's compact size, height and weight.
I've used it threaded directly on my rope bridge for over a year and had zero issues and no accelerated wear on the Platinum bridges I've used during that time. I love it but maybe I'm a fool.

Camp should come out with a x-large and xx-large version too.View attachment 78805

They must be ok with it…this is for sale on their site. I added shackle to the mix because my new harness has spliced rope bridge and can’t fit the ring on it.

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Burrapeg · Nov 20, 2021

Aerial Traveler said:
. . . Camp should come out with a x-large and xx-large version too. . .

I would buy a larger version. The Gyro just looks too small to me. I know it is rated, but it just bugs me how small it is, compared to my biners hooked to it. It just seems like it should be larger and beefier. Maybe if I was lighter myself! LOL.

Steve Connally · Nov 20, 2021

Yes that is the replacement bridge for the Camp Tree Access ANSI. Yes they do have it on the bridge they sell on their saddles so I'd agree 100% they are ok with it on a bridge. Just probably their bridge

Brocky · Nov 20, 2021

Aerial Traveler said:
I reread the technical notice from Camp. They don't specifically condemn the use of the Gyro on a rope bridge but they don't specifically endorse it either. It does talk about directly connecting rope or webbing knotted inside the attachment holes after removing the inserts. http://doc.camp.it/Manuali/GYRO_MANUALE r0.pdf

I think DMM took some time to condemn the use of the hitchclimber pulley on rope bridges back in the day. So maybe Camp will update the notice in the near future.

One of the best things about using the Gyro directly on the rope bridge is it's compact size, height and weight.
I've used it threaded directly on my rope bridge for over a year and had zero issues and no accelerated wear on the Platinum bridges I've used during that time. I love it but maybe I'm a fool.

Camp should come out with a x-large and xx-large version too.View attachment 78805

That looks like a non ordinary HH configuration, please explain what’s going on, looks very interesting.

treegongfu · Nov 21, 2021

The English man in Japan showed a similar result to the Gyro using the DMM MICRO swivels that looked nice and compact. Paul is his name. I forget moniker at the moment.

moss · Nov 21, 2021

treegongfu said:
The English man in Japan showed a similar result to the Gyro using the DMM MICRO swivels that looked nice and compact. Paul is his name. I forget moniker at the moment.

@SoftBankHawks the amazing Paul Poynter!

moss · Nov 21, 2021

treegongfu said:
The English man in Japan showed a similar result to the Gyro using the DMM MICRO swivels that looked nice and compact. Paul is his name. I forget moniker at the moment.

It might be built on the the DMM rigging device LinkIt B3. A more expensive way to get to the Gyro functionality but a very robust/versatile bridge linkage setup.

DMM Linkit Y3

DetailsEssential rigging elements.Linkits are the missing link in lightweight compact rigging. Based around a 'boss and yoke' concept, this line of connecting components is compatible with a range of existing DMM products. These CE compliant elements open up a world of creative rigging options...

www.wesspur.com

-AJ

treegongfu · Nov 21, 2021

That looks like it Moss.

I would be tempted but for the Gyro.
I mentioned it because there seems to be some concern about the robustness of the Gyro.

moss · Nov 21, 2021

treegongfu said:
That looks like it Moss.

I would be tempted but for the Gyro.
I mentioned it because there seems to be some concern about the robustness of the Gyro.

I like the DMM route because of the build quality and equally so the shackle/swivel options. Climber can choose the shackle for the bridge interface and same for the other side with multiple swivel/attachment options.

Tree Stuff is discounting the LinkIt components pretty well right now.
-AJ

moss · Nov 21, 2021

I have 3 bridge attachment options now with two bridges, ring on one, swivel on the other. Swivel top fits two biners/systems. I can put 1 or 2 on the ring. If I have more anchors than that I'm pretty much hamstrung ;-) But I'll keep my eye on developments if anyone builds a DMM version.
-AJ

Steve Connally · Nov 22, 2021

treegongfu said:
That looks like it Moss.

I would be tempted but for the Gyro.
I mentioned it because there seems to be some concern about the robustness of the Gyro.

Where is this concern? Have many hours on mine as do others. It's also sold as a bridge attachment on the camp saddle.

treegongfu · Nov 22, 2021

Steve, I wasn't claiming the concern is warranted, only that it exists. If you read the posts above there are several people expressing concern.

I use it and find it to be superior to any other bridge attachment point I've tried.

I now use the large DMM shackle with it after copying you.

I was wondering if you had replaced the grommets it comes with with DMM grommets?

The originals didn't last for me.

moss · Nov 22, 2021

surveyor said:
Gyro 4

WEIGHT 265 g, 9.4 oz SPECS ID: 3109 Standards: CE, ANSI Z359.12, EAC Minimum Breaking Strength: 26 kN Working Load Limit: 300 kg Hole Diameter: 16 mm

camp-usa.com

That's a whole 'nother level! I have no idea how I'd use it ;-)

stheis004 · Nov 22, 2021

While I’m fully confident in the gyro, I stumbled on this setup of dmm swivels & ring which would make a similar setup although slightly less compact and more expensive…also sky’s the limit here with configuration

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moss · Nov 22, 2021

stheis004 said:
is this how you guys setup the shackle? this seems good to me, but also had the thought that maybe having the shackle basically reversed might work and be nice as the sleeve rolls and would keep rope bridge wear down

View attachment 78772

Nice set up, looks like you put some spacers on the shackle pin to keep good orientation? I like that you took the rubber grommets out of the two top attachment points, you'd need to carry a tiny rubbing alcohol spray bottle to use on the carabiner every time you clipped in otherwise ;-) I usually manage possible biner rotation at the top of the biner and gate opening down for quick/easy clip, nicely done.
-AJ

Steve Connally · Nov 22, 2021

treegongfu said:
Steve, I wasn't claiming the concern is warranted, only that it exists. If you read the posts above there are several people expressing concern.

I use it and find it to be superior to any other bridge attachment point I've tried.

I now use the large DMM shackle with it after copying you.

I was wondering if you had replaced the grommets it comes with with DMM grommets?

The originals didn't last for me.

No, I understand what you're saying. The concern over strength is the same OLD doubting Thomases. Aluminum biners aren't beefy enough, ill never use them--you'll die, Mechanicals are unsafe, I'll Neve use one--you'll die, those electronic chainsaws are crap, I'll never use one--you'll die. Tree guys are like the fire department, they hate 2 things. The way it is now and change. Writing something off just because it looks, in your opinion, as under engineered is kinda crazy to me. New and lightweight is the way of everything in the world. Camp is a reputable company who doesn't have a checkered history of shitty made products and lack of attention to them. If they say its ok to use, I believe them. Its the same old nonsense.

Yes the grommets in the Gyro get trashed. Thats why I moved to the smaller shackle with less play and less grommet consumption.

moss · Nov 22, 2021

I love this flapping mess of carabiners and Gyros, can't think of a use for it yet ;-)

stheis004 · Nov 23, 2021

moss said:
Nice set up, looks like you put some spacers on the shackle pin to keep good orientation? I like that you took the rubber grommets out of the two top attachment points, you'd need to carry a tiny rubbing alcohol spray bottle to use on the carabiner every time you clipped in otherwise ;-) I usually manage possible biner rotation at the top of the biner and gate opening down for quick/easy clip, nicely done.
-AJ

Thanks, shackle idea came from the others here; the dmm grommets fit nicely in the gyro and as others have mentioned, the ones that camp includes are pretty useless.

I haven't had time to mess around or try it, but had thought of this setup basically backwards and have the shackle pin on the rope bridge so it can roll, and the gyro attached to the bow part. I think rope bridge will probably just end up in the corner though.

moss · Nov 23, 2021

stheis004 said:
Thanks, shackle idea came from the others here; the dmm grommets fit nicely in the gyro and as others have mentioned, the ones that camp includes are pretty useless.

I haven't had time to mess around or try it, but had thought of this setup basically backwards and have the shackle pin on the rope bridge so it can roll, and the gyro attached to the bow part. I think rope bridge will probably just end up in the corner though.

Yeah, I think the shackle side will play better and it's replaceable if you manage to put significant bridge wear on it.
-AJ