Boreal forest agreement

I don't think we have 170 million acres left in the U.S. to protect,
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The enviromentalists are calling the Boreal Forest Agreement the biggest conservation deal in history. 170 million acres or 277,992sq miles have been zoned no logging, no road building, no development.


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I'm not so big on zero logging, but the no roads is a great idea. Some sort of sustainable use will hep pay for thoughtful management, we cannot just close off an area and say it is done, especially with all the invasives we have due to globalization.

After clearcuts, roads are the worst thing for woodland ecosystems. Fragmentation shifts niche populations, increases boundary niches and makes corridors for "unnatural" migrations.

With the loss of tax dollars in the North Woods of Wisconsin I am all for the removal of many small roads that break up the mostly remnant forest stands that we have left.

Very few areas the southern 48 have true forests any more, there are too many wide roadways braking them up.
 
-Arborists sometimes refer to themselves as speaking for trees.

-The Boreal Forest IS the lungs of the planet.

-I think this could be our last hope to save the planet for human survival anyway. Yes, that important.

-I'd like to see the ISA logo on that list of links on the agreement's website. This is an opportunity to show Arborists care for the world's trees. Not just individual trees.

-Let's support a cause more important than curing cancer or aids.

-Bump-
 
No air, no mums. I'm sorry to here about your mum, cancer is a tough one. But if we throw a few more billion at it will it get cured?

This is something proactive that we know will work. It doesn't cost a dime or shilling, just needs support. I bet England would be a nicer place if you'd saved a few forests.
We have massive expanses of vigin forest here.

You know that thing called progress? Well it happens fast these days.
 
look i do my bit for the word, i recycle my house hold wast, im vegan, i grow saplings in my garden and plant them wild in parks and open spaces.

no not a cure but ease the pain.

i find your comments immature.

if you want to rase awerenes about the state of the worlds forests very good but dont make cheep comments about other CANCER AND AIDS. it dont help the Causes of the tree just alienates people.

''You know that thing called progress? Well it happens fast these days''

errr yes i can see that im a very politically aware person. not hard to see what we are all doing.

thanks matt
 
Some new tree research done by NASA. It shows how important this large eco system is and some new info about oxygen production during what we thought was dormancy. http://daac.ornl.gov/BOREAS/bhs/BOREAS_Home.html

The cancer aids comments were off topic but I was trying to get some shock value. I want people marching in the streets for this cause. Looks like the agreement has logging companies, enviromentalists and government's support, why not arborists? It's not a done deal and short term greed could still kaibosh it.

It's my home and I know how lucky I am. Come over, check it out Matt. I think you'd understand.
 
Agreed man, makes me proud to be a Canadian. What an arrangement. I agree with not logging ANY of it, you can't play 'just the tip' with a delicate ecosystem such as this. We've wiped clear something like 90 percent of the virgin forest in North America without even having the faintest about the intricate systems that they are. Preserving it for future generations, with an eye to the proper management is the best path possible. There certainly is enough timber in the hands of the forest product companies to supply the demand in Canadian markets (and many global markets), and it would be a damn shame to let the multinationals continue to violate our environments to satiate the hunger for pulp and lumber.

Let it be! Future generations will one day appreciate the wisdom and far-sightedness.
 
These 170 million acres are a huge deal. Could you imagine any other country contemplating an ecological reserve of this size.

Rather than protesting when all hell breaks loose we could peacefully make a big difference.

The cleanest water, plant and animal diversity, this will soon be rare.

The jet stream takes this cleaned air from here to the east coast US and on to Europe.
 
By spending more to get less out. Roads are there to get as much out as possible in the shortest amount of time, so it is efficient for the logging operation, it is inefficient for the preservation of an intact forest biome.

Roads alter the way organisms interact, creating boundary ecosystems that separated by 36 or more feet of sterile ground. Some speices will not cross, some will over populate...There are multiple chapters in Eco.Sci, textbooks on the topic of fragmentation.

The other alternative is to plant in pioneer species that will close up the disturbed area as fast as possible.

The question, form a conservation point of view is- do we use it now for our purposes, or save some for our grandkid's grandkids? This leads me into the timber industries concept of "overmature", they want to harvest large old tree because it may be degrading from a board-foot yield perspective; giving no consideration to the genetic yield it may provide to the stand for generations to come. Like a large old lobster, an ancient tree produces more seeds then one with a an optimal diameter for CuBF.

I am not an eco-freak, I have a strong belief in true sustainability. But sustainability means that we need to keep a deep genetic pool in a strong biome if we want it to survive our bumbling along over the past few centuries. The concept of generations of families being loggers is not sustainable, we need a few people to become stewards of the land, and maybe a small cadre of skilled fallers that will be able to move across the country like the wild-land fire-fighters do.
 
The skilled fallers are running feller bunchers day and night.

Replanting with current practices has done more damage than the logging. I've planted in 3 foot deep trenches running up and down slopes. I've planted on blade prepped ground which left 20' tall slash rows and 12' wide smooth mineral soil in between. Diseases from the greenhouse and non native stands are another factor.

Leaving nature to tend itself is definately the best practice.
 
its too bad that the unprotected boreal forests are getting chopped down as fast as we can even think. then there are tthe oil sands up there too right? that sounds like another ecological disaster waiting to happen. I hear they are building these huge holding ponds to hold the rinsing water which is super toxic and nobody has any idea about what to do with them. Sorry for putting cynical remarks in otherwise an optimistic thread.
 
It's the rise in the price of oil that has made the tar sands economically feasible. What we need to do is develop vehicles that use alternative fuels. When there is competition for the oil producers the price will have to fall, making the tar sands uncompetitive. With the increasing shortage of water the market will need a solution to toxicity of any water source. Now who will step up and find a solution?
 

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