big silver maple removal

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Might get there eventually.. really looking forward to meeting Chip!!! Gonna see if he has the balls to call me a pusey to my face..



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I'm pretty certain I haven't called you a pussy behind your back, to your face or anywhere else. I haven't even said you were a bad tree guy, just that you're not a great tree guy. You could say the same to me and I wouldn't be offended. What is it you're trying to prove with you videos anyway? I've invited you to be a regular guy and enjoy the company several times. I've tried really hard to avoid calling you names and it's been hard as hell because you just beg for it. I repeatedly offered you olive branches but you just went off pissing and moaning anyway so now I just pick at you for fun.

You're basically just trolling Daniel, looking for people to disagree with and brown nosing anybody that happens to even partially agree with you... it's stupid to argue with you but sometimes it's great fun so, here I am.

But if you want to fight for real, I'm happy to oblige and I don't have a spare tire to get rid of so I'm ready anytime. Just bear in mind I have no clue how to fight fair.
 
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If the tree was an "extreme threat for failure," what was the target? Were the clients dead set on removal? Were mitigation options discussed?

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Support cables and through rods? Nah, that wouldn't have worked. He doesn't have the knowledge or tools to do that.
A "tree cutter" he is, not an Arborist.
 
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...I haven't even said you were a bad tree guy, just that you're not a great tree guy. You could say the same to me and I wouldn't be offended...

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Good point Chip. I can see the truth behind that. I can see the difference there.

I once communicated that a competitor wasn't a "great" tree guy (by saying I wasn't "impressed with their work") and he took it as if I said he was a "bad" tree guy. He completely disregarded my compliment to their good nature/intensions, but chose to stick to an unfavorable comment. To this day (maybe 4 years now) I wish they could understand the difference. It is frustrating haveing your motives being misunderstood. Nothing I said was out of malice or slander.

My point:

Hopefully Daniel will understand the difference
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I couldn't tell if you were lanyarded in Daniel, but some of the recoil, on the leaders, reminds me of this video... (see 29 seconds).

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I understand the difference between what happend in the video I posted and yours. I'm only say'n, it reminded me of the video...
 
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There is NO WAY that tree was not an "extreme threat for failure,"



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Yeah, such an EXTREME threat for failure: they decided to rig from it to drag up brush with a skidloader or truck.
 
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If the tree was an "extreme threat for failure," what was the target? Were the clients dead set on removal? Were mitigation options discussed?

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Support cables and through rods? Nah, that wouldn't have worked. He doesn't have the knowledge or tools to do that.
A "tree cutter" he is, not an Arborist.

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For a point of useful discussion that might come out of this video...
I wonder if silver maples are good canididates for cables and through rods based on their decay characteristics.

I think that you have may have a good amount of them in IL, Norm, and have seen your share.

I have one silver maple at a customer's house (rarely planted around here, in land of the bigleaf maple) that has a co-dominant trunk and cavity within. It has very low angle trunks, so I wonder about the effectiveness of cables. The trunks angle at about 35-40 degrees from horizontal, so about 110-120 degree angle between them.

My tree hangs over the neighbors matching, antique (but not that fancy) cars in the driveway, near both houses.

At the crotch, there is an inclusion, and a small surface cavity, into which I was able to easily insert the shank of a 9/16" drill bit to a depth of 12" before it wouldn't easily insert further. I was considering drilling the tree with a long 1/8" bit to examine the shell thickness, but haven't acquired said bit yet.

I discovered the cavity (not visible from the ground) while climbing and pruning for street clearance (hangs largely over the street, but not much street parking), so at the time, I opted for weight reduction on the two main trunks which come out from the inclusion.

I've recommended an option of a tomograph or resistograph from a consulting arborist.

I don't want to have it unnecessarily removed, nor stick my neck out on the chopping block. I would definitely get incorporated before taking on the liability of cabling and bracing, and have noted this defect in writing to the homeowner, and had it signed.

Thoughts, please?
 
Daniel, nice music.

I think that people would be interested to see the defects and decay in situations such as this.

I maybe didn't see something that was there. It looked like clean, white wood in the stumps. Would you elaborate on the defects and obstacles, please? I might have seen some discoloration in the large piece rigged out, but it was hard to tell.

What size wood was at risk of hitting the neighbor's house? What was the probability of it hitting the neighbor's house?
 
THAT"S A CRAZY VIDEO!!!

I hope you all watched it..

Nice find Jamin.. I'd say our line angles and PPE were a bit different.. that guy is lucky to be alive... VERY LUCKY!!!

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I couldn't tell if you were lanyarded in Daniel, but some of the recoil, on the leaders, reminds me of this video... (see 29 seconds).

>>>> Click Here <<<<

I understand the difference between what happend in the video I posted and yours. I'm only say'n, it reminded me of the video...

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Sean, that sounds like an interesting tree and I was wondering if you could start another post on it and upload some pics too?

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X2

We work on countless silver maples with included bark connections and have applied many cables and bracing rods.
 
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I couldn't tell if you were lanyarded in Daniel, but some of the recoil, on the leaders, reminds me of this video... (see 29 seconds).

>>>> Click Here <<<<



holy sh!tttttttttt


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If the tree was an "extreme threat for failure," what was the target? Were the clients dead set on removal? Were mitigation options discussed?

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Support cables and through rods? Nah, that wouldn't have worked. He doesn't have the knowledge or tools to do that.
A "tree cutter" he is, not an Arborist.

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I wonder if silver maples are good canididates for cables and through rods based on their decay characteristics.

I think that you have may have a good amount of them in IL, Norm, and have seen your share.

Thoughts, please?

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Sean, in NE Illinois, silver maples are very poplular, and can get in excess of 100' tall, with 125' spread. I have static cabled and through bolted well over 100 silver maples. These trees are still standing and in excellent health. When a J-lag couldn't be fully threaded in, an eye bolt was installed. I would guess to have a 99% success rate when installing J-lags or through 'eye bolts' in silver maple. The 1 failure I recall was a 3/8" J-lag pulling out approx. 1 week after initial install. Went back, drilled a 9/32" hole instead of a 5/16's" and the J-lag has held. Granted, a 3/8" J-lag install is installed on a 5" limb max, so it was a smaller tree. I've, by far, installed more 5/8" J-lags in silver maple than any other hardware. 3/8's" eye bolts would be 2nd. Love that Stihl BT45 drill.
 
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I would definitely get incorporated before taking on the liability of cabling and bracing, and have noted this defect in writing to the homeowner, and had it signed.

Thoughts, please?

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If you are performing the work incorporating wont help you. This is a misnomer. Incorporation protects financial investors without day to day contact from law suits. If you are doing the work and can be found negligent you can still be sued.. Just like if I worked for Bartlett or Davey and knowingly did something wrong I could be sued for neglect. Although in that example the deep pocket theory would likely prevail.


Sorry to derail the point of the thread.
 
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Sean, that sounds like an interesting tree and I was wondering if you could start another post on it and upload some pics too?

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By all means. I was having trouble locating the pictures. I'll see what I can find.
 
Norm and Xman, thanks for the input.

What do you make out of their ability to compartmentalize overall? I've heard that they can be a shell with a huge hollow with little outward signs, though this is from a tree removalist with no interest in pruning/ preservation.

This tree is the second silver maple that I've run across in the past couple of years in Olympia. The cavity concerns me, and I want to know more.

The other one broke out at the base, basically breaking off right at/ below the root collar in a wind storm. It had been topped in the past. Root wood was definitely compromised.




Mark, are you saying that they can come after personal assets, and that there is no way to protect your house/ property/ person assets? Thanks for the input.
 
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Norm and Xman, thanks for the input.

What do you make out of their ability to compartmentalize overall? I've heard that they can be a shell with a huge hollow with little outward signs, though this is from a tree removalist with no interest in pruning/ preservation.


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I feel just the opposite about that actually and was just thinking on Silver Maples and compartmentalizing a few weeks ago.

If they have a big hollow, I pretty much always see a huge bulge in the diameter from the outside. Very seldom ever hidden.

trees that I've seen hide hollow, often in oaks, norway spruce and white pine come to mind. Not Silver Maple.

I would not comment on it if I didn't feel strong about it.

Just a few weeks ago my brother took down the big Silver maple at my parents house. Well, back in the 1980's I remember my older brother had cut off a lower big limb, it was about 12" diameter. Well, it never healed over before the center of it rotted out and then could not close up. Well it held a dark pool of seemingly deep water for so so many years. The tree had other problems like tight v crotches (with dead tissue between the pinching crotches) and my mom was tired of too much shade and the mess. So it was cut down.

Anyway, we discovered the pool of water and decay did not go out of the original grain of that limb that was cut off. If you know what I mean. It went to a cone shape and stopped. It compartmentalized amazingly. If it was a Tulip Tree or many other species, that main trunk would have been hollow too, for sure.

i will search for the picture for a while now. think i got some cell phone pictures.
 
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