Be careful with laser pointers

Tom Dunlap

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Today on the front page of the Denver Post there's this article:

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2625514,00.html#

Article Published: Thursday, December 30, 2004
Laser at planes spurs probe

FBI investigates in Colo. Springs One pilot said the laser appeared to come from the Cimarron Hills area about 8 a.m. Monday.

By Erin Emery
Denver Post Staff Writer

Colorado Springs - The FBI is investigating reports from two pilots that their cockpits were filled with laser light on approach to the Colorado Springs airport.

The Department of Homeland Security issued a bulletin in November warning law enforcement agencies that terrorists have explored using lasers as weapons, but authorities know of no specific terrorist plan to blind airline pilots.

"We do not have any specific or credible information suggesting that this type of plot is underway in the United States," said Valerie Smith, spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security.

Colorado Springs police Lt. Rafael Cintron said there is no indication that the incidents Monday are "part of a major plot for anything. We're assuming that it is someone acting in a reckless manner."

Cintron said the Police Department's helicopter "experiences that all the time." No one has been arrested in those incidents, he said.

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Authorities do not know what type of laser was used. Police would not disclose the altitude of the planes. Airport operations were not interrupted.

Similar incidents have been reported recently in Utah and Ohio. On Monday, a pilot on approach to Cleveland Hopkins International Airport reported that a laser filled the cockpit at more than 8,500 feet. Air traffic controllers used radar to trace the beam to a suburban neighborhood in Warrensville Heights.

In September, a Delta Air Lines pilot reported he suffered an eye injury from a laser while on approach to Salt Lake City.

The federal Transportation Security Administration has assessed the threat of lasers to commercial aviation as "low," Smith said. The "sporadic" incidents across the nation are typically "accidental or mischievous," she said.

One of the pilots in the Colorado Springs incidents said the light came from Cimarron Hills, east of of the city, about 8 a.m. Monday. A second pilot reported a similar light about the same time but couldn't say where it came from. One plane carried passengers; the other carried packages. Both landed safely.

Police sent officers and a police helicopter but could not find the source of the light.

"We're conducting interviews, looking into it and finding out what it was," said Monique Kelso, spokeswoman for the FBI in Denver.

Kelso said the bureau has not had similar investigations in Colorado and Wyoming.

Officials from Denver International Airport said they were not aware of any incidents involving laser beams directed at planes serving the Denver airport.

Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Allen Kenitzer said directing a laser at an airplane is a federal violation akin to an assault, for "interfering with a cabin crew in performance of their duties." The severity of the punishment depends on whether authorities can prove criminal intent.

Lasers can be purchased on eBay starting at about $50. They come in different power levels, from those with tiny fractions of watts such as laser pointers and cat toys, to those used in light shows, which require power boosts and water cooling.

Eye damage from a laser depends on a number of factors.

"It's not a simple matter to say how bright it would have to be because it depends on how far you are away, and there's a certain amount of energy that has to go through your iris to damage your eye," said Margaret Murnane, a University of Colorado professor and laser expert. "A smaller laser, if you were closer to it, would do more damage than a bigger laser. It's the amount of light that gets into your eye that matters."

Justin Koch, a laser expert based in Peoria, Ill., said: "The question is, how far away the person was from the airplane. If they're approaching an airport, that means they have got to be past the airport, so we're looking at a couple miles, probably. A pointer isn't going to do much a couple miles away."

Tom O'Brian, chief of the time and frequency division at the National Institute for Standards and Technology in Boulder, said Monday's reports could have been anything from an ill-advised prank to people doing preapproved research.

"You have universities, a lot of high-tech companies, the Air Force Academy; there's a lot of potential of legitimate uses," he said.

Staff writer Jeffrey Leib contributed to this report.

Staff writer Erin Emery can be reached at 719-522-1360 or eemery@denverpost.com.
 
I can't figure out how someone that's ground level can shine a laser into the cockpit of a flying aircraft.
 
MB I wsa thinking the same thing, I caught the CNN schpiel yesterday and while they showed the cockpit I just started to wonder about the physical ability of light to go around the nosecone and then turn 90 degrees left or right and get in to those teeny windows... /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
I've wondered about getting the laser to line up with a moving target too. When I've played with mine at night it is amazing how far it shines and how little movement on my end is amplified on the "target". After Expo I visited with Dave Spencer and we went out to play with the new tool. We were on a bridge overlooking a train yard. We picked a parked train and walked the pointer along for quite a distance. If someone was up to shenanigans with a hand held they'd have to be pretty lucky to light up a cockpit. Without mounting the pointer and using a scope w/night vision I can't imagine how that could happen.

From now on when I go out to play I'm going to be a bit more careful. Now sky shots for sure.
 
I'm calling shenanigans on any article that says they tracked a laser beams origin with radar.

From someone who was trained to shoot down aircraft in the military, I think the odds of anything more than a brief flash of light in the cockpit are pretty slim unless the aircraft was on final approach and coming right for you, and you had a mount. You would also have to be pretty far back because the nose is high on final.

Dave
 
The pilot is looking out and down on approach. Thats why he's vulnerable. The pilot also doesn't know its a low powered laser pointed at them and are paranoid as hell these days, rightly so in my opinion. You have a plane full of passengers and they are going to be [censored] out of luck if both pilots get a flash in the eyes. I believe one of the pilots said he was momentarily blinded. They arrested a fellow in New Jersey last week who admitted shining a small laser at airplanes on approach. He's been charged by the FBI of violating the Patriot Act.
 
FBI CHARGES INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBLE FOR
NEW JERSEY AIRCRAFT LASER INCIDENT

Newark - Joseph Billy, Jr., Special Agent in Charge of the New Jersey Office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation announced that the FBI filed a federal complaint against David Banach, age 38, of Parsippany, New Jersey today charging him with violation of U.S. Code, Title 18, Section 1993 (a) (5) and (8), and 1993(b) stating that on or about December 29, 2004 he did knowingly and willfully interfere with, disable and incapacitate a driver, captain or person, namely an aircraft pilot, while employed in operating and maintaining a mass transportation vehicle, namely a chartered Atlantic Aviation aircraft with reckless disregard for the safety of human life. Additionally Banach was charged with violation of U.S. Code, Title 18, Section 1001 in that on or about December 31, 2004 he knowingly and willfully made materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statements and representations to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

The investigation leading to these charges was conducted by the Newark Division of the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) with assistance provided by the Parsippany Police Department, the Morris Plains Police Department and the Morristown Police Department. The initial investigation at Teterboro Airport last Wednesday evening was conducted by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the New Jersey State Police, the Passaic County Sheriff's Office, the Passaic County Prosecutors Office, the Morris County Prosecutors Office, Rockaway Township Police Department and the Wayne Police Department. Extremely vital to this investigation from its inception through today was the assistance of the Port Authority police Department headed by Superintendent of Police Samuel J. Plumeri, Jr.

SAC Billy stated that this case and today's charges highlight the FBI's continued commitment to aggressively investigating matters involving public safety in an era where preventing terrorism is our number one priority. "It is important that we do everything that we possibly can to ensure the safety of our Nation's air carriers", "while this particular incident was not terrorism related the FBI considers this an extremely serious matter as not only was the safety of the pilot and passengers placed in jeopardy by Banach's actions so were countless innocent civilians on the ground in this densely populated area", "what was done was foolhardy and negligent" said Billy. By providing false and misleading information to FBI Agents, Banach also impeded the swift resolution of this matter added SAC Billy.

Banach will have his initial appearance at approximately 2 pm this afternoon at United States District Court, District of New Jersey, Newark in front of a United States Magistrate Judge Mark Falk.

A copy of the complaint will be provided by the U.S. Attorneys Office in Newark.
 
If that guy goes to prison for 20 years for doing something stupid there is something wrong with the system. He didn't mean any harm to anyone. I got two letters for you.....O and J.
 

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