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And toparb,
do you really want to learn something? The answer to that question (which is $0) isn't going to teach you much... Nor will the answer to the chaps question.. (and there is a good answer to that as well)

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even though it wont teach anyone much, lets hear it! and I would like to know about the chaps too.

that's probably too much to ask. how about this:
why weren't you wearing any chainsaw protective pants/chaps?
 
Williamd got it right when he wote:
It looks like to me that gutting the hinge on a heavy backleaner has a purpose. You're giving yourself a holding hinge of pre determined width. Even if the tree is hollowed out to some extent there should still be enough holding wood on either side of the hollow for the tree to still be standing in the first place. I think it would help when you have to do the extra task of uprighting a back leaner before it falls over. It's more time the cutter is in the danger zone. By gutting the hinge and getting the proper tension on the pull line the cutter just needs to sever the wood on the compression side and get out of the way. If done right it seems like a reasonable approach.

Why did you delete that post williamd?

There are 10 alturnamats in the back of that bucket truck at all times... the skid steer has tracks that were designed for golf courses.. being the middle of a dry summer, the lawn was hard as concrete, and the lawn was in rough shape to begin with.. zero lawn damage..

I was running the bucket, pruning trees in the backyard.. and came down to make that falling cut.. It was waist level.. do you really think that chaps were going to make that cut safer? That said, I agree its a bad idea to show a video of operating a ground saw, without wearing chaps.. sets a bad example..

as far as the center plunge used to gut the hinge, my excuse is I learned how to do tree work on the east coast, where your average arborist doesn't even understand the basics of hinge mechanics... Arbormaster has been teaching this cut for years, and for the reasons described above by williamd.

Now let's take a step back and look at the situation of this industry: we have an arb from Bend, Oregon, that probably learned gut hinges on backleaners from his grandfather when he was 12 years old, and another arb form Ontario that learned to use the cut when he was in high school.. and when TCI mag got letters questioning its appearance on the cover of TCI Magazine, in 2004, they realized that they had no one on their staff that was familiar with the cut or its uses..

That is what's wrong with this business... the internet is just beginning to bring us out of the dark ages... and there is still a huge vacuum of good, practical training and education material that is reasonably priced and readily available..

PS... Tom.. why was this thread moved to "tree free" zone..
 
Lol - you didn't need chaps cause you were cutting at waist level.
I didn't think about it that way. When you explain yourself, it makes so much sense.

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Daniel,

Since my private requests are not being acknowledged I've got to raise the stakes.

Would you please stop using my name as a validation? What sort of gain are you hoping for by using my attendance at the conference? Pete Donzelli and Stanley Longstaff were there too. That's what I remember about the conference, not a lot else.

You have the opportunity to step off of my shirt tails and edit your reply. There are few people that I'll drag around on my shirt tails.
 
I've used the plunge cut many times when the tree is leaning in the direction of the intended fall, but using it when you are bringing a tree against its lean is just dumb when you are using a bobcat to pull it over. You have no idea the force you are putting on the tree, so when the strap is cut, the chance that the tree will spring forward is increased. Because you have already taken out some of the hinge wood, you have weakend it. lets say that the tree springs forward and one of the sides fail on the hinge? Can you say screwed? The only time a plunge cut could be used for this is if you smack some wedges in there and are using the rope for a little extra insurance.

Why the hell did you bore the face cut? I read what may have been your answer, but really? Who were you really showing off for when you did this? My guess is before the camera was turned on you were trying to impress some lady with how dangerous you can make tree removal be. Save the drama and bobcat pulls for someone else!
 
Here is the Deal Tom , Stanley and Dr. D were for real people , anyone who knew them will attest to that , people who were not in it for themselves but really cared about what was correct and safe . Sadly both have passed on , but Daniel couldn’t light a candle to either of these men. I know Tom , Daniel , Pete And Stanley , the only reason Daniel is in this post is because he is FOS. Keep it Real out there , Thanks Tom for the site and having your bullsh*t glasses on for peeps like Daniel
 
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