Armor prus
- Thread starter ficus
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- Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Best method for armorprus has been hotly debated.
Class1, class2 & locked brummel, it depends a bit on the application.
Class1, class2 & locked brummel, it depends a bit on the application.
- Location
- Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
For a VT, class 1 works and has tested as strong enough, but the stiffness of the bury can effect the performance.
Locked brummels are strongest, and perform better, but the naked eye needs to be coated as it picks easy & is vulnerable to damage.
Locked brummels are strongest, and perform better, but the naked eye needs to be coated as it picks easy & is vulnerable to damage.
NickfromWI
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- Los Angeles, CA
Why is it debated? Ask the manufacturer? If they don't know, you shouldn't buy it. End of debate.
Your right Nick.
I got a reply from donaghys
"Armor-Prus is a class 2 braid or core dependant. To utilise its full strength you should always use a class two type splice.
Please find attached eye splicing instructions for Superbraid and class 2 type braids."
These instructions are at
http://www.donaghys.com/splicing-instructions.html
The reason I asked the questions is I have seen other splices used and not the recomended one above.
I got a reply from donaghys
"Armor-Prus is a class 2 braid or core dependant. To utilise its full strength you should always use a class two type splice.
Please find attached eye splicing instructions for Superbraid and class 2 type braids."
These instructions are at
http://www.donaghys.com/splicing-instructions.html
The reason I asked the questions is I have seen other splices used and not the recomended one above.
rfwoodvt
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- This side of eternity.
I Just looked at Donaghy's instructions and saw that it retains the cover in the eye.
In doing the Naked Eye with coating are we able to use a locking brummel accounting for the longer bury as well?
In doing the Naked Eye with coating are we able to use a locking brummel accounting for the longer bury as well?
I have done a few e2e splices with AP 8mm, I got one tested. I spliced a class 1 for one eye and class 2(correct splice for rope) for the other eye. The class one broke at 1610kg (so doubled for VT hitch use 3220kg) the class 2 didn't move at all. For my hitch I use VT with e2e 8mm AP class 1 eye splices
- Location
- Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
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I Just looked at Donaghy's instructions and saw that it retains the cover in the eye.
In doing the Naked Eye with coating are we able to use a locking brummel accounting for the longer bury as well?
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Naked eye locking brummels in armorprus have tested very strong.
The core is a very loose, soft spectra with 2 kevlar strands, it picks very easy and needs a good coating to hold up well.
I Just looked at Donaghy's instructions and saw that it retains the cover in the eye.
In doing the Naked Eye with coating are we able to use a locking brummel accounting for the longer bury as well?
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Naked eye locking brummels in armorprus have tested very strong.
The core is a very loose, soft spectra with 2 kevlar strands, it picks very easy and needs a good coating to hold up well.
NickfromWI
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- Location
- Los Angeles, CA
I recommend folks that want to use this rope in such a manner to push the manufacturer to make directions for us to refer to. We CAN do it however we want. We tie our own knots- we're big kids now....
But the manufacturer should know how we're using the rope.
love
nick
But the manufacturer should know how we're using the rope.
love
nick
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I recommend folks that want to use this rope in such a manner to push the manufacturer to make directions for us to refer to. We CAN do it however we want. We tie our own knots- we're big kids now....
But the manufacturer should know how we're using the rope.
love
nick
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Manufacturer recommends class 2 double braid eye splice (core to core splice) On their website they have the instructions under 'super braids'
I recommend folks that want to use this rope in such a manner to push the manufacturer to make directions for us to refer to. We CAN do it however we want. We tie our own knots- we're big kids now....
But the manufacturer should know how we're using the rope.
love
nick
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Manufacturer recommends class 2 double braid eye splice (core to core splice) On their website they have the instructions under 'super braids'
NickfromWI
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- Location
- Los Angeles, CA
Got it- but we don't want Class II for hitch cords- right?
I'd love to see on their website, "when being used as a hitch cord configuration, armor prus can be spliced with core-only exposed eye"
...or however they want to word it.
I'd love to see on their website, "when being used as a hitch cord configuration, armor prus can be spliced with core-only exposed eye"
...or however they want to word it.
Already done,
They have been asked to have a look at the thread.
Waiting for a reply
further reading on the cord
http://www.treetools.co.nz/_blog/Treetoo...d_test_results/
They have been asked to have a look at the thread.
Waiting for a reply
further reading on the cord
http://www.treetools.co.nz/_blog/Treetoo...d_test_results/
NickfromWI
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- Los Angeles, CA
Awesome. It will be good for them and good for us!
- Location
- Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
I will raise this with them too. We are a Donaghys dealer. I visited the factory the other week and will be back soon to do some break testing there.
SingleJack
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- W MD
Please excuse the derail.: Codz, that's one seriously disturbing avatar you got there, mate!
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- Lexington, KY- USA
Seriously, that avatar made my stomach hurt.
Sorry about the avatar, don't worry though, it is me creatively using some tree sap, I am still alive.
Further to the armor prus discussion, I spoke with the manufacturer today and will get the testing done next week. I will splice the naked e2e as a standard prussik and break test it. The previous tests for the class 1 splice broke at just over 2200 kg. The class 2 broke at a little over 2800kg. When I find the test results I will post the exact figures. Both class 1 and 2 were spliced with large eyes to suit the bollard and 1 meter between the extraction points.
I will also be testing a new version of the 8mm armor prus that has a polyester core. The polyester version has a rope strength of well above 22kn. This will eliminate the class 1 class 2 debate in several applications.
Further to the armor prus discussion, I spoke with the manufacturer today and will get the testing done next week. I will splice the naked e2e as a standard prussik and break test it. The previous tests for the class 1 splice broke at just over 2200 kg. The class 2 broke at a little over 2800kg. When I find the test results I will post the exact figures. Both class 1 and 2 were spliced with large eyes to suit the bollard and 1 meter between the extraction points.
I will also be testing a new version of the 8mm armor prus that has a polyester core. The polyester version has a rope strength of well above 22kn. This will eliminate the class 1 class 2 debate in several applications.
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