Anybody bother with Dept Licensing and illegal co.

I guess I think what we're seeing is their desperate colors rather than their true colors. A LOT of folks have no income right now and they're doing what they have to to pay the rent and buy food. I'll not be one to begrudge them for that.

These guys are clearly different from professionals and the kind of customers I target want professional work. I almost never lose a bid to them, even when my price is double.
Good customers don't measure professionalism with licenses or insurance or tons of heavy equipment... they measure it with behavior, results and the relationship.

Behave professionally and get quality results and you won't have to contend with the handyman types very often. But you WILL have to deal with guys like me who know from long experience in business that high overhead will kill you quicker than anything else. My prices are definitely lower than the big outfits with four trucks, two chippers, a bobcat, a bucket and a grinder. That ain't my fault, it's theirs. I get the same results they do... just not the same volume. They do four jobs to my one, suits me fine.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Trying to bust somebody's chops because they don't have all the stuff you have is weak and anti-competitive. If you're lucky enough to have started with a chipper and a dump truck, more power to you... but that ain't the ONLY way to do it.
 
fair is fair. if its a level playing field, then. it comes down to the better man.. insurance is necessary, live with it. you obviously have a personal problem with the insurance industry.

crying that someone who does quality work undercut you, is like the fisherman in Oregon crying that the indians are allowed to gillnet. the men who are great fishermen will never complain.

become a better fisherman!
 
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Actually blinky I was talking about those guys,they just trying to get little bread on the table.

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I have no problem with that either jimmy.
What I do have a problem with is regulation with little to know enforcement.

Cut the regulation!

it's an absolute waste of time and money and it accomplishes NOTHING!
 
Probably right Jim .honestly I dont really care anymore i wish the best for everybody tryng to succeed.I cant complain I eat every day my employees have plenty of hours and our equipment suits us well.Thank God not in that generic I just scored a super bowl way.But I know he is the giver of all good things and sometimes my pride trys to apprenhend that glory way.i guess its in our nature kinda fall into aliteism and then try to stay on top thus holding everybody else down.But we all start from the bottom I guess I forgot that reality.Or maybe I was just being argumentive because thats my way of dealing with obvious hypocrisy I see on this forum.Regardless- your not one of them Jim your a brother.
 
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Agreed. But wouldn't making that assumption be pure speculation?

I think the original poster is more "irked" about new companies starting up in "HIS" area, and assuming (or hoping) they are illegal.

Newsflash people. Theres enough work for everyone, even the hacks.

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Tophopper,

I know that we seem to be on opposite sides of the coin here. I'll looking at if from a legal business owner perspective, and unless I'm mistaken, you are looking at it from a different perspective, which I will leave for you to explain if you so choose.

Illegal based on not following any the legal requirements:
W/C
Taxes
Taxes
More Taxes
Gen Liab
Commer Auto
...and all the attached expenses.
ETC.

There is lots of work to go around, but not necessarily enough profit to justify all the risks of being in business.


I could be making a lot more money if I didn't have these expenses for my protection, the customer's protection, the employees' protection, the general public's protection.

People depreciating the market value by offering high or low quality services for less effectively makes my efforts (tons of work to run the business) to comply and my risk exposure worth less because we are not competing on an even playing field.

This effectively takes money out of my small bank account.

My perspective is that I have to work even harder for less compensation because I am offering safe, legal service (that seemingly my customers feel to be high quality, and highly satisfactory) where everyone is protected, with well mitigated risks to employees who want to work hard and go home at the end of the day with all fingers and toes, and to know if they need to go to the doctor cause a stick got under their safety glasses, its covered.
 
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If you're lucky enough to have started with a chipper and a dump truck, more power to you... but that ain't the ONLY way to do it.

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I've worked my behind off, and endebted myself, to now have a 1975 chipper, a 1990 ex-asplundh dump truck, an old SuperJr. 1620 (which now needs a new engine after today.

I started with a 1993 chevy astro van (160K), a whopping 5 HP used craftsman homeowner chipper (of course that didn't turn out to be worth anything, so I just sold it for the $175 bucks I had into it) and a used $75 MAC saw with an 18" bar that vibrated so bad my hands would tingle after using it. Then I worked my way up/ borrowed money to get a used pick-up truck and a Fred Meyer $270 little red folding kit trailer (thankfully on sale for $200, cause I still had to buy the plywood.)

I already had rock climbing ropes, screw gate biners, and a harness. My pole spurs were $25 on Ebay (still the only ones I wear).

I understand you are saying that there are many respectable ways to work. True.
I'm saying I've worked for everything I have (but not yet fully own).
 
By the way, one or two of the new tree services (one which seems to be pursuing legal compliance, and still on the way) is offering "topping" dis-services plain as day in their advertising.
 
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By the way, one or two of the new tree services (one which seems to be pursuing legal compliance, and still on the way) is offering "topping" dis-services plain as day in their advertising.

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We still get that a lot around here. It apparently sells jobs. Every Spring I see 20 or so trees get newly topped on my regular driving routes. We have nurseries and landscapers here that have no clue how to plant trees either, lots of small dying trees with dirt (not just mulch, but soil) volcanoes.

Customer education, the only solution.
 

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