ANSI climbing code

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Were you at that tom?

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I had a lot to do with Providence. I secured all the permits for the parks, handled all of the pruning in the months prior, and got the FD to that workshop for free. So many stories. It was a bear. Yes, I was almost at Jerry's feet when he talked.

-Tom
 
Yes, it would go together.

But, since the conclusion of the resarch is so obvious and there are so many other things that should be taught I don't see any reason to spend money and take up time at a conference with obvious information.

Since the Z133 is in revision right now there is the opportunity to write in the practice of tying in twice for all cutting in the tree. This would include chainsaws, handsaws, polesaws/pruners.

How do you folks feel about this?
 
I would say that the climber 'should' cut with the cutting edge of the saw in a direction away from themselves and their climbing line, and when that cannot be avoided, two points of attachment 'should' be used. Shootin' from the hip here, but hey.

-Tom
 
Wow, I guess you're right. When were 'shoulds' legislated out?

8.5.13.4 - Notch depth 'should' not exceed 1/3 tree diameter. Is that a shall now?

Not trying to derail, just asking. I'm not aware of a lot of the recent changes.

-Tom
 
A couple of revisions ago he Z was cleaned up by removing the 'should's' from the standard. After all, it would make for a weak standard if it only says that we should do something. Too much weasel room.
 
I respect your work on the committee, and I totally get it. I wish I was there for the discussions regarding how each 'should' became a 'shall,' I bet it was good times. :)

-Tom
 
Tying in twice with an chainsaw, sure. Handsaw, pole saw, pole pruner once should be enough. When u r learning the trade tying in twice while using a handsaw/ pole pruner is a good practice. An experienced tree worker is making judgment calls all day. Too much regulation can sometimes be hurtful. In my opinion proper training is an essential base for any climber. After u gain experience everyone will develop their own style of climbing. Requiring everyone to be tied in twice before making any kind of cut is taking it too far. Just my 2 cents
 
I think I tend to agree with Sherwood. I have often tied in twice while making handsaw cuts. Mostly to free up a hand to hold something, or maintain an awkward position without fatigue. But to require it every time seems excessive. That said, it's hard to say it wouldn't be a good idea.
 
Essentially the lanyard is there not so much as a second tie in but for it's design purpose, work positioning. Frees up your hand to hold the piece in the event of a cut and toss. As Sherwood said, we are making assessments and judgements all day long. Training climbers that they have a range of tools and techniques to accomplish the job is all grounded in the need for safety and production. It's not either or but both. Get home in one piece and paid profitably.
 
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