Another Cable ? with video

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small reduction cuts. I love them and use them to subordinate anything I want to discourage from getting a lot bigger, especially non-dominant co-doms.. They work great.. It doesn't take much cutting 1"-2" diameter is usually plenty) to effect apical dominance and just let the tree take over from there..

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And the tree typically does a great job, breaking interior buds for a compact crown. Minimal followup pruning needed, 3-6 years ime.
 
And that is going to eliminate the need for a cable support? Going to subordinate a leader and correct structural issues in a tree that size? 2" pruning cuts around the inside of the exterior of the canopy? Or are you and Murphy going to cut back the entire leader 2"? Got a helicopter? Hogwash. But would love to watch you 2 old farts pole clipping 2" off an entire leader.

Got any data on that stuff (no Guy Meilleur mag. arts. either lol). Hey, I am all for spending hours pole clipping instead of doing real work. I am listening.

IMO that tree doesn't need a shred of pruning outside of any deadwood/stubs encountered.

"....due to interior budbreak"??? haha "non dominant codoms" hahaha
 
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Got any data on that stuff

[/ QUOTE ]Read gilman/grabosky and dujesieffken in the journal, for starters.

Lots of research done with pruning since 1986.
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I think it doesn't "need" pruning either.. I think it doesn't "need" a cable either.. both are for insurance, though I admit with ash its probably better to be safe than sorry, meaning put the cable in even though there is minimal visible inclusion. Guy's insistance that pruning should be done with the cabling seems like overkill to me, though I understand that pruning as suggested would reduce a lot of unwanted growth for a lot of years with minimal distuirbance to the tree, so I would recommend it, as good maintenance, but not insist that the tree "needs" pruning.

As far as an old fart, I guess I have to cop to to the old part, still can climb a tree though.. I'd reach those tips and make the cuts with a hand saw... its not that big of a deal... maybe you need to learn how to climb if you think it is!
 
You still haven't answered my question (and it begs the question)...what kind of cuts are you going to make once you (in theory) get to those tips. Are they cut back cuts or are they laterals cut off?

I assume since you classify this practice as "subordination" you are referring to cutting all the tips back to the 2" wood you both mention? Cutting internodal? Mulitiple sprouts will form along with Guy's desired interior sprouting which could be accomplished just as easily by smashing the limbs with a ballpeen hammer.

I still climb regularly (and am proud to be at the old fart stage) but you with lack of muscle and on many vids having an underling do your climbing am a little skeptical of you getting out there but I am gonna take your word for it I suppose.
 
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You still haven't answered my question (and it begs the question)...what kind of cuts are you going to make once you (in theory) get to those tips. Are they cut back cuts or are they laterals cut off?

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Sounds like you mean "reduce or thin?" It's clear from the previous that we are talking about reduction cuts to laterals. The kind you would see described in the post-Shigo references mentioned, if you read them.

Speaking of ball peen hammers, you two need to get a room.

macro, the pics you are asking for are hard to come by but i'll find something.
 
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on many vids having an underling do your climbing am a little skeptical of you getting out there but I am gonna take your word for it I suppose.

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I suppose you're talkin' to me.. There are over 50 vids posted.. the first vid was a two part removal of three big tulips, where Pat Epps did the climbing.. other than that there is only one other cut, maybe 20 seconds that has anyone else doing any climbing or falling...

I have a vid of a reduction and cable job which I think is boring, because it just shows before and after of the tree, no work being done.. I'll try to get it up soon..
 
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You still haven't answered my question (and it begs the question)...what kind of cuts are you going to make once you (in theory) get to those tips. Are they cut back cuts or are they laterals cut off?

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Sounds like you mean "reduce or thin?" It's clear from the previous that we are talking about reduction cuts to laterals. The kind you would see described in the post-Shigo references mentioned, if you ead them.


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It is not what "I" mean I am asking what you intend to do. Now I know....you have researched it thoroughly and you are going up there with your pole clipper bend backwards and clip back all the tips 2' of more to 2" wood stubs. No sprouting is expected.

Good plan Guyzer.
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ps (might want to save the ho a little $ for imidacloprid)
 
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You still haven't answered my question (and it begs the question)...what kind of cuts are you going to make once you (in theory) get to those tips. Are they cut back cuts or are they laterals cut off?

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Sounds like you mean "reduce or thin?" It's clear from the previous that we are talking about reduction cuts to laterals. The kind you would see described in the post-Shigo references mentioned, if you ead them.


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It is not what "I" mean I am asking what you intend to do. Now I know....you have researched it thoroughly and you are going up there with your pole clipper bend backwards and clip back all the tips 2' of more to 2" wood stubs. No sprouting is expected.

Good plan Guyzer.
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ps (might want to save the ho a little $ for imidacloprid)

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pps.

"Tipping is like topping except that the cuts are smaller in diameter. .....spoils the structure of the tree."


PRUNING, 2nd Ed., Edward F. Gilman, pg. 55

If you are referring to "reduction cuts" in this book then IMO, due to the structure of ash branches you also will destroy the structure encouraging laterals to take over apical dominance and disfigure the tree. (but then you said you weren't making lateral cuts ???)

I am thinking you are advocating a practice best left to young trees to correct structure and they are much more dynamic.
 
Here's the vid of a mature Norway Maple prune and cable.. the tree was in decline, and it was only after I saw the extensive sun scald that I asked the owner if another tree had been removed nearby. He said that yes indeed another larger tree had been removed. This must have been south/west of the tree shown here, and my guess is that it was done in early-mid summer..

anyhow here is the job.. once again there are no shots of the work actually being done, just a before, during and after with discussion of why and how cuts were made etc..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDKTXJc8mcE
 
Nice work there. Looks like a good call on the cabling. Most of the cuts to upright laterals; that 2" horizontal stub is not pretty but given apparent vitality should close.

I think the anti-tipping thing is valid in the context of young trees.

Would be nice to see an after-after pic taken now in leaf.

Did you kill the ivy, or at least trim it to view the main forks?
 
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Hoping to get your guys thoughts on cabling this white spruce. Both stems are about 18inch DBH and the trees are about 50ft. The right tree is leaning straight towards the house.
 

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Re: Another Cable ?

pretty straightforward job..

Just go at least 2/3 of the height from branch union (the ground) to the tips and install a 1/4" steel cable, hand tight, with either j-lags or thru bolts.. I'd shoot for over the 2/3 height, for a bit more leverage, which would be best installed with 2 climbers.. charge 250... or 300 if you can get it...
 
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Thanks Daniel. That's the exact recommendation I gave the HO. They are deciding between that or removing it. Thought about trying out some of that Branch Saver Dynamic Cable if I get the gig. Already have a removal in the yard so I'm sure they'll do one or the other.
 
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pretty straightforward job..

Just go at least 2/3 of the height from branch union (the ground) to the tips and install a 1/4" steel cable, hand tight, with either j-lags or thru bolts.. I'd shoot for over the 2/3 height, for a bit more leverage, which would be best installed with 2 climbers.. charge 250... or 300 if you can get it...

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How much pruning would that include?

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