All Gear NeoPro

CrazeeClimber

CrazeeClimber

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Anyone have advice for splicing All Gear's NeoPro? I used the 16 strand instructions from the Samson manual and my bury ended up thinner than the rest of the line, any suggestions on how to fatten up my rope?
 

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Perfectly normal. The rope loses bulk in the eye when you remove the core strands. They are mainly there to keep the rope firm and round. The majority of 16 strands strength lies in the cover strands. I like the stitching!
 
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Anyone have advice for splicing All Gear's NeoPro? I used the 16 strand instructions from the Samson manual and my bury ended up thinner than the rest of the line, any suggestions on how to fatten up my rope?

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Could I see another 1 or 2 pic's of the stiching at the tight eye ?
Thanks
 
The tight eye stitching is actually seizing done with a core strand I removed for the splice. Not as fast to apply as those fancy rubber bands but I think it's a lot better looking.
 
The difference in diameters is a little annoying. When tied on the bury the hitch grabs hard when it reaches the core, and when tied everywhere else my VT doesn't grab on the bury.
 
ITCC has not allowed Blue Bandits to form tight eyes as the 'biner attchement to a harness bridge in competition, due to their potential failure, which could lead to side-loading the gate.

I'd still like to see a couple pic's of what you did.

Did the stiching go thru the 2 rope sections (e.g. cross-wise), or between them ?

Thanks
 
Hey Greg, I did what he did awhile back, whiplocked a large eye into a tight eye. I went through both sides of the eye(through both sections of the rope). The other thing I did was as extra security lock stitch up and down the whole length of the large eye below my whiplock, again going through both sides of rope.
 
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The difference in diameters is a little annoying. When tied on the bury the hitch grabs hard when it reaches the core, and when tied everywhere else my VT doesn't grab on the bury.

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In principle, at least, you want the bury section to be at least normal diameter, or even larger. This way you know for sure that the cover can squeeze the buried core when under tension. Whether or not your splice has less holding power on that account only testing would show.

Since you have some extra internal room to work with, why not let one or two core strands run all the way to the eye? The extra bulk might be just what you need.
 
Hey Adrian !
I've done something similar, but that doesn't look what was done in his post pic. I'm not sure that it was stiched thru both rope sections.
Time w/ TreeBing sounds like Fun ! Ciao, Greg
 
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Perfectly normal. The rope loses bulk in the eye when you remove the core strands...

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We have to make sure we're talking about the right thing, here. Your response sounds like you are commenting on how the eye becomes thinner and floppy. If that is so, then I agree 100% with you.

But looking at the original post I was thinking he is not asking about the eye but rather the throat of the splice. Crazeeclimber- if you are talking about the area BELOW the eye, this MAY be a problem. The compression of the rope is what is holding it all together. If there isn't enough bulk in the throat, the splice isn't doing what it is supposed to.

Looking at the All Gear website I think they recommend these directions for that rope- and they seem to be the same as the Samson directions.

The first thing I would do is call Tom at All-Gear 847-564-9016 and verify that this is how the splice is supposed to feel.

If I still didn't like how it felt, there is never harm in only taking out 9, 8 or 7 strands to maintain the consistent diameter. You'd have to experiment to find the right formula. I remember a few years back I used to sell a bit of Buccanneer 16 strand rope and I would only pull 9 strands and I would could a full 10-15 strands from mark A before starting to mark strands for my taper.

This could be a safety thing. But even if it isn't, it can be an inconvenience when you try to move your hitch around when you're choked up tight to your TIP.

Let us know what you find out!

love
nick
 
Any Outcomes here?

I Spliced some Neopro and wasnt happy with the Throat either, it seemed to loose for my taste.
Unfortunately I still cannot find Splicing Instructions for Neopro on Allgear's site...
 
NeoPro cover is kind of loose. This makes the throat loose. I kept 5 or 7 cover strands in the eye and this worked out fine. There is a bit of bulk about 16" down for about 8" (crossover). This catches my VT when I'm all the way at my tie in point. The hitch will pass though. I've used HRC, 10mm epicord, 9mm epicord, 8mm icetail. All seem to get through the bulk at TIP easily. I took a photo of this tight area but you can't see anything so I'm not posting it.
 

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I made several attempts at getting consistent diameter with 7/16 neo pro. I ended up taking five single strands , rather than five pairs. It was still an easy bury,and the splices looked good. I was however, disappointed with the durability of the rope. It isn't anywhere close to arbormaster or xtc.
 
I spliced some of this stuff last week and was disapointed with the looseness. I was making a short friction saver with no core and the final product seemed to have no real grab in the throat. Never had such an easy time with running the final inch of eye home. I really wasnt feeling comfortable with the splices.

Anyway I changed plans and decided to use the rest of what I had to make an ultrasling. No core obviously. I saw treestuff had made them out of the Edelrid blue and yellow stuff. I tried a while back with arbormaster and it was too tough.
The neopro worked great. Its mostly done and I will post a pick next week when Im back at work.
 
Yeah , I will tomorrow when I'm back at work.
16 strand brummels are really tough from ropes I've tried, other than 7/16 neo pro. The neo pro without the core is like 12 strand hollow.
 
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