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A Real Cliffhanger Tree Project
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jim454
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Sounds like a job for Rocks and Trees.
Where you at Andy!!
Where you at Andy!!
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what am I, chopped liver!?
jim454
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Well, maybe you and Andy could partner up?
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I got my herbicide/pesticide applicator license a couple years ago, but I let it lapse. I sort of wish I had kept it up, that test was not something I want to take more than once.... boooooorrrrriiinnggg.... I doubt there's any reciprocity anyway.
chris_girard
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Hi Paolo, the trees on the rock face range in size between 10'-20' mostly, nothing too big. The larger trees are at the top where we'll be clearing back 20'. I bet that you would like to work on this job with the rock climbing background that you have. It would be a lot of fun.
Hey Gerry, thanks for the complement on the pics. I'll have more coming. I thought of your cliff hanger dvd when I looked at this project. I wish that I could work on this job but its too large a scale for my small business. Besides, being an employee of the NH DOT there may be a conflict of interest. I'm just working on the specs. Around here a job like this would go to someone like Lucas Tree, Bartlett, or Davey. Someone who can do large scale vegetation work.
Speelyei, thanks for offering to help with the rock climbing information. I'll keep you posted.
Mattmann, here in NH you have to be a licensed pesticide applicator to do the work. You cannot be a worker or trainee working under the supervision of someone with a license. I wish you could, that would make it easier for me to write the specs for this job and find people to bid on it.
Hey Gerry, thanks for the complement on the pics. I'll have more coming. I thought of your cliff hanger dvd when I looked at this project. I wish that I could work on this job but its too large a scale for my small business. Besides, being an employee of the NH DOT there may be a conflict of interest. I'm just working on the specs. Around here a job like this would go to someone like Lucas Tree, Bartlett, or Davey. Someone who can do large scale vegetation work.
Speelyei, thanks for offering to help with the rock climbing information. I'll keep you posted.
Mattmann, here in NH you have to be a licensed pesticide applicator to do the work. You cannot be a worker or trainee working under the supervision of someone with a license. I wish you could, that would make it easier for me to write the specs for this job and find people to bid on it.
chris_girard
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chris_girard
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chris_girard
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chris_girard
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chris_girard
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chris_girard
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In talking with our Roadside Design pesticide specialist they said that the application will be Pesticide Roundup Pro used as (50/50 mix) 1 part water and 1 part pesticide (41 percent formula) would be fine.
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In talking with our Roadside Design pesticide specialist they said that the application will be Pesticide Roundup Pro used as (50/50 mix) 1 part water and 1 part pesticide (41 percent formula) would be fine.
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I Hope they are not going to hold the contractor to a percentage control number with that mix. Because it will not be effective. RU pro is just Glyphosate with a surfactant added. It is mainly used for weeds and grasses, not a stump treatment. You want something that will travel to the roots so you do not have re sprouts.
http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld07A000.pdf
I would use
Garlon4 @ 20%
Stalker @2%
Basil oil
The stalker will do 2 things. Guarantee a good control and reduce the amount of product applied to the stump.
In talking with our Roadside Design pesticide specialist they said that the application will be Pesticide Roundup Pro used as (50/50 mix) 1 part water and 1 part pesticide (41 percent formula) would be fine.
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I Hope they are not going to hold the contractor to a percentage control number with that mix. Because it will not be effective. RU pro is just Glyphosate with a surfactant added. It is mainly used for weeds and grasses, not a stump treatment. You want something that will travel to the roots so you do not have re sprouts.
http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld07A000.pdf
I would use
Garlon4 @ 20%
Stalker @2%
Basil oil
The stalker will do 2 things. Guarantee a good control and reduce the amount of product applied to the stump.
chris_girard
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Hammer, thanks for the information, and the pdf file. I appreciate it.
I'll pass this on to our roadside design staff.
I'll pass this on to our roadside design staff.
chris_girard
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These are the new directives that our roadside staff says about the herbicide application:
"We have used Garlon, Stalker and Basil Oil (Diesel Fuel) on some of our projects but the results have been the same as when we use Roundup Pro, some sprouting still occurred. If you use Garlon 4 with the other two additives included on their label Diesel Fuel we just thought it might get a bit controversial. On the Round UP Pro label It states "Apply the equivalent of 1 ml of this product per each 2 to 3 inches of tree diameter at breast height (DBH). This is best achieved by applying a 50 to 100 percent (which is possibly what we may want to call for) concentration of this product either to a continuous frill around the tree or as cuts evenly spaced around the tree below all branches". Roundup Pro is always considered by many to be a grass or weed chemical but if the label is reviewed there are many ways this product can be used. I believe it might be necessary to state in the POW (no matter what chemical we use) that a repeat over the top spraying may be needed due to some re-sprouting of the plant material. Hope this helps."
"We have used Garlon, Stalker and Basil Oil (Diesel Fuel) on some of our projects but the results have been the same as when we use Roundup Pro, some sprouting still occurred. If you use Garlon 4 with the other two additives included on their label Diesel Fuel we just thought it might get a bit controversial. On the Round UP Pro label It states "Apply the equivalent of 1 ml of this product per each 2 to 3 inches of tree diameter at breast height (DBH). This is best achieved by applying a 50 to 100 percent (which is possibly what we may want to call for) concentration of this product either to a continuous frill around the tree or as cuts evenly spaced around the tree below all branches". Roundup Pro is always considered by many to be a grass or weed chemical but if the label is reviewed there are many ways this product can be used. I believe it might be necessary to state in the POW (no matter what chemical we use) that a repeat over the top spraying may be needed due to some re-sprouting of the plant material. Hope this helps."
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These are the new directives that our roadside staff says about the herbicide application:
"We have used Garlon, Stalker and Basil Oil (Diesel Fuel) on some of our projects but the results have been the same as when we use Roundup Pro, some sprouting still occurred. If you use Garlon 4 with the other two additives included on their label Diesel Fuel we just thought it might get a bit controversial. On the Round UP Pro label It states "Apply the equivalent of 1 ml of this product per each 2 to 3 inches of tree diameter at breast height (DBH). This is best achieved by applying a 50 to 100 percent (which is possibly what we may want to call for) concentration of this product either to a continuous frill around the tree or as cuts evenly spaced around the tree below all branches". Roundup Pro is always considered by many to be a grass or weed chemical but if the label is reviewed there are many ways this product can be used. I believe it might be necessary to state in the POW (no matter what chemical we use) that a repeat over the top spraying may be needed due to some re-sprouting of the plant material. Hope this helps."
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Just because it states it on the label, it does not make it the best option for the application. Round up pro is a great product, but would not be my choice in this scenario. RU Pro will be effective on some fast growing species but will be hard pressed to do anything on harder to control species such as elms, maples, locust, ash, etc...... This is what we use day in and day out for our right of way crews. Our program is also endorsed by the EPA. I guarantee you that when the product is applied to the cambium layer you will not have resprouts on the stumps. If they make you use RU pro, ask them to add the stalker in the mik as a last resort to cut down on the re-sprouting thus reducing un-needed exposure. As far as safety of each product, they all carry a caution label on them. Which is the lowest rating given. So they and you will be covered if a controversial situation comes up. Also diesel is not a good carrier of herbicide, basil oil is recommended and also effective.
If you would like to speak to someone else who is versed in this area, call Jim Brayton with Townsend chemical.http://www.townsendchemical.com/
These are the new directives that our roadside staff says about the herbicide application:
"We have used Garlon, Stalker and Basil Oil (Diesel Fuel) on some of our projects but the results have been the same as when we use Roundup Pro, some sprouting still occurred. If you use Garlon 4 with the other two additives included on their label Diesel Fuel we just thought it might get a bit controversial. On the Round UP Pro label It states "Apply the equivalent of 1 ml of this product per each 2 to 3 inches of tree diameter at breast height (DBH). This is best achieved by applying a 50 to 100 percent (which is possibly what we may want to call for) concentration of this product either to a continuous frill around the tree or as cuts evenly spaced around the tree below all branches". Roundup Pro is always considered by many to be a grass or weed chemical but if the label is reviewed there are many ways this product can be used. I believe it might be necessary to state in the POW (no matter what chemical we use) that a repeat over the top spraying may be needed due to some re-sprouting of the plant material. Hope this helps."
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Just because it states it on the label, it does not make it the best option for the application. Round up pro is a great product, but would not be my choice in this scenario. RU Pro will be effective on some fast growing species but will be hard pressed to do anything on harder to control species such as elms, maples, locust, ash, etc...... This is what we use day in and day out for our right of way crews. Our program is also endorsed by the EPA. I guarantee you that when the product is applied to the cambium layer you will not have resprouts on the stumps. If they make you use RU pro, ask them to add the stalker in the mik as a last resort to cut down on the re-sprouting thus reducing un-needed exposure. As far as safety of each product, they all carry a caution label on them. Which is the lowest rating given. So they and you will be covered if a controversial situation comes up. Also diesel is not a good carrier of herbicide, basil oil is recommended and also effective.
If you would like to speak to someone else who is versed in this area, call Jim Brayton with Townsend chemical.http://www.townsendchemical.com/
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Contact Dan @ Broad Oak. Our intern is a world class rock climber and I am a former guide. We are liscenced in pesticide app in NH. Acredited and such also
chris_girard
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Hammer, thanks so much for sharing this info with me. I will continue to pass it on to our Roadside guys. They will be the ones that have the final say.
Keith, I'll definitely contact Dan. I haven't spoken to him in awhile but I would love to see you guys bid on this job and get it. Tim Walsh and I were working on a job together a few weeks ago, and we were saying how great it would be if we could hook up with Dan and you guys for a technical rigging job. Tim has his Hobbs Lowering Device and I have my GRCS and we're looking for a job where we can use the two devices together. Any ideas?
Keith, I'll definitely contact Dan. I haven't spoken to him in awhile but I would love to see you guys bid on this job and get it. Tim Walsh and I were working on a job together a few weeks ago, and we were saying how great it would be if we could hook up with Dan and you guys for a technical rigging job. Tim has his Hobbs Lowering Device and I have my GRCS and we're looking for a job where we can use the two devices together. Any ideas?
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I am surprised that you need to reach out to get this job bid. If we were there, we'd bid it no problem. We do projects like this on the river banks sometimes. Looks kinda fun to me!
PS. What about Mayer Tree? Or maybe Maltby?
PS. What about Mayer Tree? Or maybe Maltby?
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