Loose Trousers for Arb Work - Japanese Tobi Workwear “Nikkapokka” for arborists?

Yea or Nay to ninja pants?

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"Loose trousers are comfortable for construction site work, which requires repeated standing and squatting. They are particularly important for high-rise tobi workers who are constantly climbing up and down scaffolding. But keeping them tight at the hems prevents them from catching on equipment or tools and causing an accident."

“Strong wind can be hazardous for tobi,” photographer Matsuda Tadao explained, “but some say the baggy material ensures they are immediately aware of it, and that they can even tell which direction it’s blowing in. Others suggest the pants act as an extension of their sense of touch to help avoid anything dangerous sticking out around their feet in a tight space. I’ve even heard crazy stories about them reducing the impact of falls by catching the wind like the flaps of skin used by flying squirrels. But I think the truth is that a lot of construction workers like festivals and showy clothes, so the pants have got wider and longer to make them stand out.”

The Problem with Current Options:

I’m fed up with poly-blend pants. They may wick moisture away, but they leave behind a lot of gunk and end up smelling terrible after a day's work. I don’t want to have to wash them every single day. Hiking pants? They’re single-stitched and the pockets rip way too easily. Kevlar panel climbing pants have a straight or skinny cut that doesn’t fit my thighs or inseam (or muscular builds in general). And saw pants? They’re heavy and get dirty really quickly.

Could We Learn from the Japanese Workforce?

Here’s my thought: what if we had a pair of these loose trousers made with double or triple stitching, maybe with a Kevlar or extra panel knee for durability? They could be made from pre-broken-in Carhartt duck canvas or hickory, as a nod to logging Americana. Ideally, the stitching would be strong enough to avoid the need for rivets, which tend to dig into your skin when you’re wearing a harness or work boots.

Maybe some of the arb brands out there could test a design like this for those of us who value utility over appearance (or for climbers who want to look like ninjas)?

What do you guys think?

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Mine aren't quite so baggy but I've been wearing ninja pants or harem pants as my friend calls them all summer. Some Patagonias that a friend gave me. Absolute dream to climb in. That plus the ninja shoes (vevo trackers) tree climbing is a whole new game for me, I love it.
 
Mine aren't quite so baggy but I've been wearing ninja pants or harem pants as my friend calls them all summer. Some Patagonias that a friend gave me. Absolute dream to climb in. That plus the ninja shoes (vevo trackers) tree climbing is a whole new game for me, I love it.

I thought of the safety of chipper operation at first but I don't really think it poses an issue unless the pants are easily torn - has that been your experience so far?
 
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Limbing and bucking, bet they'd be "catchy".

Still prefer my Pfanner pants with a foam knee insert in the knee pockets for a bit of extra padding. Climbing a snaggy spruce with baggy pants - not up for the experiment.

And what about added material weight?
I guess they would be more handy for the spready deciduous trees I climb locally. Tool for the job in my case. I don't find myself in a wildland interface climbing/removing big conifers very often. Maybe ninja pants are for the trendy hipster urban arborists :D.

With all the cheeseburgers I eat, i guess I wouldn't mind some extra weight training if its breathable fabric that doesn't get too hot.
 
So . . . . gotta wear tight cuff gloves when feeding a chipper so you don't snag . . . . . wearing baggy pants is OK then? In industry, don't want to be anywhere near machinery with baggy/ loose fitting clothes. and I still get back to weight. As for poly and smell, there's a company called Le Bent that makes wool/ bamboo blends I think it is that have solved that problem - only one problem $$$ but not as much if you're buying with US real dollars.
 
Hard to beat some of the arb pants already out, I think. Most of the colors and obnoxious designs I can do without, though. Those baggy pants would be annoying and dangerous in a lot of tree care situations, but probably really comfortable in a few others. I may be interested in those ninja turtle shoes they're wearing though.
 
So . . . . gotta wear tight cuff gloves when feeding a chipper so you don't snag . . . . . wearing baggy pants is OK then? In industry, don't want to be anywhere near machinery with baggy/ loose fitting clothes. and I still get back to weight. As for poly and smell, there's a company called Le Bent that makes wool/ bamboo blends I think it is that have solved that problem - only one problem $$$ but not as much if you're buying with US real dollars
Like Levi uses them and Rusticus suggests I think their application might be limited but pretty awesome bit of kit for summer/fall months. I'll have to check out le Bent and see their wears.
 
Yeah, I'm curious about the shoes as well! Also, can't stand the flashy ski pants stylings of the pants these days...
Ditto to the luminescent/ fluorescent skin tight lyrca speedo bike suits we see around here on 60 yr olds with voluminous midriffs, pedalling their way to the cardiac wards with violently red faces . . . .
 
I think @SoftBankHawks was singing the praises of these sort of pants a couple years ago. Here's a link to the thread:
 
Those are ridiculously baggy, but maybe I’d try them.

I wear the old US military issued BDU pants. If sized right they’re baggy enough. Double reinforced knees, gusset crotch, ties at the ankles, which I never really use, but might if I had to walk through some tall grass or weeds and wanted to try to keep ticks off, big cargo pockets that are easy to access while wearing a saddle. Really well made, last a long time, made in USA and cost maybe 30$, lots of colors or camo patterns. I got a bunch of khaki, navy blue, grey, and I still got a couple pairs that were issued to me in woodland camo and desert camo. Come in cotton twill or poly cotton ripstop for hot weather. The twill aren’t really warm, I gotta wear a base layer if it’s gonna be under 25F or so. They’re ok in hot weather too, the ripstop is cooler and lighter though.

I got a pair of Pfanner StretchAir climbing pants that I think were around 180$ and I like the BDU pants much better.
 
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I think @SoftBankHawks was singing the praises of these sort of pants a couple years ago. Here's a link to the thread:
that's insanely cool - thanks for sharing.

What a coincidence, 200$, no rivets, saw protected, not ski pant colors, damn. At a glance I don't think they'd fit me since its 1 size fits all 5'-6' tall supposedly.
 
Those are ridiculously baggy, but maybe I’d try them.

I wear the old US military issued BDU pants. If sized right they’re baggy enough. Double reinforced knees, gusset crotch, ties at the ankles, which I never really use, but might if I had to walk through some tall grass or weeds and wanted to try to keep ticks off, big cargo pockets that are easy to access while wearing a saddle. Really well made, last a long time, made in USA and cost maybe 30$, lots of colors or camo patterns. I got a bunch of khaki, navy blue, grey, and I still got a couple pairs that were issued to me in woodland camo and desert camo. Come in cotton twill or poly cotton ripstop for hot weather. The twill aren’t really warm, I gotta wear a base layer if it’s gonna be under 25F or so. They’re ok in hot weather too, the ripstop is cooler and lighter though.

I got a pair of Pfanner StretchAir climbing pants that I think were around 180$ and I like the BDU pants much better.
BDU minus the sawdust catchers would be rad.
 
Those would drive me completely insane. Mammut hiking pants or arbortec non chainsaw. Depending on the job at hand. I have owned so many. Latest being SIP gecko's and Pfanner Globes. All have downfalls. No perfect ones. But I hate baggy anything. Got to be synthetics and slim fit. But I am a 31 waist and 6ft tall. Hate long inseem too. Like boots I am fussy as fuck. I wear truwerks shirts too. Pants are ok also. Screenshot_20240830_230901_WhatsApp.jpgScreenshot_20240830_230450_Gallery.jpg
 
I have a pair of the kyari chainsaw pants. It’s like wearing sweat pants to work. They’re just ok. Sometimes the chainsaw material feels like a dumpy diaper in the crotch region. But definitely the baggy design allows for more air flow.
Sounds like a painful day. Loads of snagging. But we are all different. So not knocking them. Whatever folks like is cool by me.
 

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