Bendroctanus
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Hear, hear!
We really must stop meeting like this! The relationship between the termination knot and the hitch.
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southsoundtree
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The angle can be a difficulty.
I might need to polish up my dogbone with some use. It's grabby and rotating against the rope in a weird way.
Muggs
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Pitter patter, time to get at 'er
That's the second edition, but the first one - or at least an older one - also warns about interference of knot and hitch on page 7:
TreeCo
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An anchor hitch would not interfere as much as a fisherman's knot.
Mirror imaged anchor hitches could be used on a pear shaped biner that goes to the saddle and would also capture the Hitch Climber in place.
Spliced eyes can and do move around easily and can side load a biner.
I've always trusted the anchor hitch over spliced eyes. Plus you don't have to buy them and can easily switch ends of the main climbing rope.
Mirror imaged anchor hitches could be used on a pear shaped biner that goes to the saddle and would also capture the Hitch Climber in place.
Spliced eyes can and do move around easily and can side load a biner.
I've always trusted the anchor hitch over spliced eyes. Plus you don't have to buy them and can easily switch ends of the main climbing rope.
Bendroctanus
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Same!
Matias
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As much as I love an anchor bend, I haven't paid for a splice in many moons
Cant
Cant help but notice that all the photos in the hitch climber guide show the termination knots being attached to the upper hole of the HC pulley. I thought it was a no-brainer to use the center hole when running a termination knot on a HC setup?
Matias
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Hadn't considered that point, but you're right, I do that automatically, as though there were no other obvious correct way in that setup. Nobody ever showed me that. I don't think I have ever seen anyone mention it in a video either.
southsoundtree
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I've always used that middle hole. Aside from the manual, that middle hole connection is all I see when I looked.
Bendroctanus
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The top hole shall now be referred to as the John Cena hole.
I know many guys don't like anchor hitches but if your scared you can tie a stopper.
I use an anchor hitch for termination in this situation. I tie it a certain way so that it sits very low and that last turn is on the opposite side of the hitch. Never moves never rolls out never effects the hitch.
I much rather prefer a spliced eye though. Do a lot of crane work...to me it's well worth the extra money to get a spliced eye on your rope.
I use an anchor hitch for termination in this situation. I tie it a certain way so that it sits very low and that last turn is on the opposite side of the hitch. Never moves never rolls out never effects the hitch.
I much rather prefer a spliced eye though. Do a lot of crane work...to me it's well worth the extra money to get a spliced eye on your rope.
evo
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I’ve had hitches hang up with splices, grapevine knots, anchor hitches etc. VERY rarely and even more so with splices. Never has it been an issue other than a brief slip or slight movement. If this happens or if I’m using a bulky knot I just drop the hitch carabiner and rope end straight to my bridge. That isn’t an approved configuration in the manual either. It’s clear that they don’t advise tying straight to it (yet one can splice onto a pinto) and I actually do not see how this could be dangerous other than the knot bump.
We all have experience unexpected sitback or creep from a device or hitch.
It’s always good to give a all systems check before taking a big swing, shifting weight from one device to the other before change overs, as well as before making saw cuts.
We all have experience unexpected sitback or creep from a device or hitch.
It’s always good to give a all systems check before taking a big swing, shifting weight from one device to the other before change overs, as well as before making saw cuts.
Matias
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This right here solves 99.7% of all problems. I understand that it's not the fastest possible solution, but some smart people have told me that slow is smooth, and smooth is fast.
evo
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About the same level of most modern contraceptives…. Excluding well placed ice cubes of course.
At this point one needs to consider the point climbing evolution and innovation the hitch climber came out in. Blake’s were still king, coming off the coat tails of the taughtline. IT WAS the evolutionary move to eye and eye hitch cords. Sure they existed before but mostly the way those weird Europeans climbed with 6 coil loops.
As I recall there were reports of knot bump early on, and this was an editing that occurred as a result. I could be remembering it wrong, but I thought the linked photos were an after the fact PSA safety notice. Not a recall as there isn’t anything inherently wrong with the pulley, but potential interface issue.
moss
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moss
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Point is we have so many “automated processes” in our gear and technique that it can be forgotten that we need to lightly monitor everything in our life-support chain while we climb. Can’t depend on auto-locking ‘biner gates to do their job without verifying in whatever way the gate is indeed locked. Likewise with hitches, they need to grab automatically. Nevertheless… sometimes you need to flick up the hitch coils to set even the most perfectly tuned hitch system with super-duper spliced or sewn eye terminations. With knotted terminations in proximity to hitches you have to pay attention a little more which is not a bad thing.
Gear manufacturers have lawyers so there will be lots of “Don’t do that!”. The Educated Climber (ha) pays attention, understands how things work, finds a way to monitor their systems, while keeping enough efficiency in their climbing.
-AJ
Gear manufacturers have lawyers so there will be lots of “Don’t do that!”. The Educated Climber (ha) pays attention, understands how things work, finds a way to monitor their systems, while keeping enough efficiency in their climbing.
-AJ
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You can use another hitch on the non-spliced end of your line with a foot or so of tail before a stopper. It might sound a bit clunky, but it’s actually very clean as far as the potential of interference with your main hitch. Even a thimble prusik works a treat.
I struggle to see how the stopper knot in the middle frame can interfere with the friction hitch as it is well below it. What is the problem with that configuration?
