I’m done

I'm now reminded of the other album I listened to a lot on the same road trip

"Joy as an Act of Resistance" by IDLES

Kinda electro-punk, perhaps not to your taste but forever tied to the last album in my mind- It also has a few songs dealing with similar topics (Samaritans is specifically about men's mental health)
 
Just reflecting a sec, I know that "it can get better" may sound dumb or cliché- I really wish I could convey to you my lived experience of perspective change. I still feel shitty sometimes but the mental patterns that had me feeling stuck and hopeless really don't have the power they once did. It took/takes lots of work and has been emotionally challenging, but man it really can get better
 
Chris, I had an uncle who in recent years died from agent orange.
I must not have been a happy kid because when I was 9 he said to me, "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem."

I never forgot that.
 
SeanRuel said:
Just reflecting a sec, I know that "it can get better" may sound dumb or cliché- I really wish I could convey to you my lived experience of perspective change. I still feel shitty sometimes but the mental patterns that had me feeling stuck and hopeless really don't have the power they once did. It took/takes lots of work and has been emotionally challenging, but man it really can get better
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This is very well said, Chris.
 
96coal449 said:
You believe wrong.


What I mean by this is, my nephew has a daughter who now wants to be identified by the name of Will.
She is only a teenager. She wants her breasts removed. She is far to young to know what she really wants from life, let alone be influenced from "woke" social media. She's still just a kid.

@SeanRuel before you label me, maybe you should have asked me why I feel this way like Chris has the patience to do so.
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Oh boy, this is going to be a long topic that will make my fingers hurt.

I think because this person is so far removed from you, it's best not to judge. I know many female bodied folks who never wanted breasts, bound and did everything to hide them. Some were trans, some were not. All had issues with cat calls and the unwanted attention their bodies attracted. I can identify with that!
For myself I am not my body, even though I present as a white straight dude, that is not my identity. I really don't give a flying F about my 'gender' I don't feel 'manly' and am far from the social norm in identity, I also have a couple of 'mental health diagnosis's. Interestingly enough gender 'divergence' is very common with folks who share the same traits that I do.
I think Will's best interest is loving support and acceptance.
The tricky part is puberty blockers, and body augmentation. Perhaps if they felt supported in who they feel they are, in a holistic way body augmentation could wait until they are and adult. BUT do know many trans folks who are not supported do NOT LIVE to adulthood.

Gender identity is one thing, sexuality is another, sexual preference is different than the previous two. I cannot speak for others, only for myself, but I really don't care whats between my legs nor where I choose to shave. I do have two kids, and my partner has all the parts to make the little buggers, thats really where it ends in my family.
 
climbingmonkey24 said:
Is living really worth it is the question I ask myself this evening
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Well if you want to go down this rabbit hole, whats on the other side of living? We are all going to find out at some point, just take your time as we will all wind up there..
Might sound dark, but don't be afraid to see yourself in the 3rd person more so when you are going through your struggles. Have empathy for your self, and put one foot in-front of the other.
 
evo said:
Oh boy, this is going to be a long topic that will make my fingers hurt.

I think because this person is so far removed from you, it's best not to judge. I know many female bodied folks who never wanted breasts, bound and did everything to hide them. Some were trans, some were not. All had issues with cat calls and the unwanted attention their bodies attracted. I can identify with that!
For myself I am not my body, even though I present as a white straight dude, that is not my identity. I really don't give a flying F about my 'gender' I don't feel 'manly' and am far from the social norm in identity, I also have a couple of 'mental health diagnosis's. Interestingly enough gender 'divergence' is very common with folks who share the same traits that I do.
I think Will's best interest is loving support and acceptance.
The tricky part is puberty blockers, and body augmentation. Perhaps if they felt supported in who they feel they are, in a holistic way body augmentation could wait until they are and adult. BUT do know many trans folks who are not supported do NOT LIVE to adulthood.

Gender identity is one thing, sexuality is another, sexual preference is different than the previous two. I cannot speak for others, only for myself, but I really don't care whats between my legs nor where I choose to shave. I do have two kids, and my partner has all the parts to make the little buggers, thats really where it ends in my family.
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You are good peeps, my friend.
 
Another thought for you Chris-

There are social support services in many places that help people access health care, mental health care, and other resources.

When I was struggling with depression, was pretty broke and didn't have a doctor or health insurance. I was also unable to make appointments or fill out paperwork. There was no one in my life I was comfortable asking for help with these "trivial" problems.

Somehow I managed to grab a flyer from one organization, but still had this idea that "these services are for people with real problems, I should be able to do this stuff myself". But you know what- I was a person with a real problem and wasn't able do access care myself. Coming to the realization that I WAS a person who these services exist to help was the first major step to better mental health for me.

Letting go of the bullshit story about being strong man who doesn't need nothing from nobody is where my life changed for the better. It helped me have a more flexible self image and the 2 hours of help from a professional case manager started the ball rolling so I could see a therapist.

I was/am not weak for needing help, and neither would you be if that's something you can allow for yourself. The myth of the "independent" man is one part of the stew of men's mental health struggles. You don't have to do everything yourself, we're all in this together. Needing support is not a failure, it is human.

If you are interested but can't find a support service in your area, send me a PM with your general location and I'll do some looking around for you
 
@climbingmonkey24, I don't recall you mentioning if you have had a full discussion with your MD. If not, that's probably a really good idea. I have friends who take prescribed medication that has made a world of difference for their mental health. If you had, for example, high blood pressure, you might be able to do some things on your own to help it, but you might never get it under control without medication.

And if you aren't satisfied with your doctor, find another one. I've ditched doctors a few times. We pay too much and there are too many out there to stay with a doctor who does not provide good service. A doctor who tries to get you in and out like you're going through a revolving door may not be much help.
 
The very first step when trying to address any disfunction or abnormality, is determining what caused it in the first place.

While most medical professionals efforts can relieve symptoms, they normally fall far short in addressing the root causes.

www.psychiatrypodcast.com

163: Treating Mental Health Disorders with a Ketogenic Diet — Psychiatry & Psychotherapy Podcast

Bobby Kelly, David Puder M.D. Christopher Palmer, M.D., David Puder M.D. have no conflicts of interest to report. In today’s episode of the podcast, we interview Dr. Chris Palmer, a psychiatrist, researcher, and expert in using the keto diet as a medical treatment for some treatment-resistant
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