How does Coronavirus COVID-19 alter our workflow?

ppsavage said:
Nah, you should hire daniel, might teach ya a couple things in the process too
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Yea I thought about calling Daniel, but with this Fir being around 200 ft and the fact that Daniels bucket might go to 80 ft, I suddenly realized that he lacks the basic physical and mental tools/skills needed to even get in this tree.

Plus my Home Owners Insurance will only allow me to hire a ISA Certified Arborist, or someone who actually has the skills needed to safely handle the job.......I don't make the rules bro, I just follow them..

I guess I just call Chislebit, Southsound, Chisholm, Evo, Swing, Stihlmadd, Deevo, OwScott, or one of the many pro's around here that would handle their biz like the professionals that they are.... Hopefully they'll give me a bro deal.
 
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Looks like China and Italy...No bueno. Especially considering the fact that for weeks we KNEW this thing was coming. A real lack of leadership and preparedness on our current administration part.

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Bucknut said:
Honestly, who gives a shit about testing? I mean, other than statistical/record keeping what’s the point? If I come down with a hella cough in the next few weeks, I’m just gonna assume I have it. I’m not going to get tested, cuz there ain’t no cure anyway.

Governor of Maryland said as much today. If your state has 20 cases then testing makes sense. If your state has 100,000 cases, well.....

And since they keep telling us that people with no symptoms whatsoever can be already infected and transmissive, good luck containing that. How about we all just man up and pretend we’re the guy in the movie that doesn’t panic. And if you have young kids maybe turn off the damn news.
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Testing is relevant, your doc will want to follow you more closely if you develop symptoms and test positive. Reason is you can go into acute respiratory distress and or "fulminant myocarditis" peaking at 22 days or so after initial onset of symptoms, and another peak at 44 days (according to this recent paper out of China). The death/survival graphs in the study group are super interesting. Basically some percentage of the human population has a hyper immune response to Covid-19 resulting in what's called a "cytokine storm" which delivers the fatal blow. Too much immune response can work against you. I believe that's why older people in general have higher mortality rates, in addition to their underlying health problems they can have a strong immune response but their body can't handle their own immune agents. If you're younger and healthy you have a better chance of surviving your own defense response. However there are people in their 20's, 30's, 40's etc who are dying because they have the genetic tendency to this over-the-top immune response to Covid-19.

So testing is not just to slow the spread, it really makes a difference in how you're treated. Normally say when I have the flu or some nasty cold I just tough it out through the worst part. That could be a fatal mistake with Covid-19. The test is super important so you and your doc stay on top of it. There are treatments modalities for "Cytokine storm syndrome", not great but mortality can be reduced from near 100% to 27% which sounds shitty but it's better to be alive.
-Dr. Moss
 
Nonetheless, nearly half of the respondents in an April 2009 national survey were concerned that they or someone in their family might get sick. 59 percent said they had begun to wash hands or use hand sanitizer more frequently, and 25 percent said they were avoiding malls, sporting events or public transportation. And since media reports pegged the origin of H1N1 to Mexican pig farms, heavy coverage of the outbreak likely helped to activate a broader set of fears which held that Mexicans and other Latinos might actually be spreading the disease. Indeed, 20 percent of respondents to the same survey said they would avoid people who they thought may have recently travelled to Mexico; another 17 percent said they would avoid Mexican restaurants and stores.

Actually, the media did make a big deal about H1N1 (swine flu)... with the usual knuckle-draggers blaming Mexicans and even using CDC data to prove that the CDC are incompetent. Because, clearly, anybody who can start up a chainsaw is better equipped to deal with such emergencies... by not dealing with such emergencies.

Then there are the small percentage of test kits that were giving erroneous results... which the CDC themselves tracked to suppliers and immediately announced the need for quick action and funding to get all of the manufacturing plants producing the kits to fix the problem, with oversight to deal with the QC issues. The CDC isn't a manufacturing facility, any more than the Pentagon is... they contract out their manufacturing. I haven't seen the media blaming the pharmaceutical compainies making the kits... instead they decided to make fun of the CDC for asking pharmaceutical companies to make test kits that only pharmaceutical compainies are able to make.

Currently the people most fervently asking for test kits are doctors. I can't imagine why we would trust a bunch of doctors to know that test kits are needed. We need a good tree guy to go in there and set them straight on how to run this operation.
 
JeffGu said:
Nonetheless, nearly half of the respondents in an April 2009 national survey were concerned that they or someone in their family might get sick. 59 percent said they had begun to wash hands or use hand sanitizer more frequently, and 25 percent said they were avoiding malls, sporting events or public transportation. And since media reports pegged the origin of H1N1 to Mexican pig farms, heavy coverage of the outbreak likely helped to activate a broader set of fears which held that Mexicans and other Latinos might actually be spreading the disease. Indeed, 20 percent of respondents to the same survey said they would avoid people who they thought may have recently travelled to Mexico; another 17 percent said they would avoid Mexican restaurants and stores.



Currently the people most fervently asking for test kits are doctors. I can't imagine why we would trust a bunch of doctors to know that test kits are needed. We need a good tree guy to go in there and set them straight on how to run this operation.
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Well I'm a Tree guy, although not a good one, and I just happen to be between gigs right now.....Wonder how the pay is?
 
JeffGu said:
Actually, the media did make a big deal about H1N1 (swine flu)...
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NOTHING like this. This response is not in the same ballpark, not in the same galaxy. I don’t recall the world essentially shutting down for H1N1. Do you? Tens of millions of kids stayed in school. Disney World stayed open. People didn’t lose 30% of their 401k. We weren’t scared to go out to eat or simply shake someone’s hand. There wasn’t surreal talk of “containment zones” or even banning state to state travel. Not even after we had over 12,000 Americans dead, compared to about 50 now with corona. Maybe I missed all that back in 2009? I’m just curious why the difference.

I’m not taking this lightly, just trying to keep a level head. Scariest part so far is how quickly and easily we will trade freedom for “security”. Everyone just nods and goes right along with this Orwellian scenario.

It’ll be interesting to see how we resolve the inevitable conflicts between the Constitution and the necessary medical protocols. I have a feeling the virus will win.
 
I was struck with a bad case of viral pneumonia at the beginning of November and can certainly say it was one of the scariest things that’s happened to me. I thought I could be the tough guy and beat whatever it was I had; dry cough and fatigue, slight fever nothing else.

Things took a turn for the worse and as I was on the couch I had a 103 degree fever and felt as if someone was filling my lungs with a can of spray foam. This happened in a very short amount of time (about 3 hours) and had to go to the ICU by ambulance where they found I had a blood oxygen level of 78/100. I was suffering from hypoxia and had terrible confusion and dizziness. They pumped my body full of saline fluid and about 8 types of antibiotics because I wasn’t responding to them( because it was viral not bacterial ) they also had me on assisted breathing with oxygen.

My lungs slowly recovered and I was able to walk again in about a weeks time. It took me a month and a half before I could climb again. I lost 25 pounds.

Pneumonia sucks because your bronchial tubes get filled with dead white blood cells. The healing process can scar the lungs resulting in less than optimal lung performance and so you need to slowly rehabilitate. I’m 33 years old and a pretty healthy individual and this still got me good.

This virus does scare me a bit because I’d hate to go through that again and I hope nobody has to. Please take this thing a bit seriously and wash your damn hands and stay inside if you feel sick.
 
ppsavage said:
Any of you folks had any noticeable impact on your work from this yet or is it biz as usual?
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Too soon to say for sure, but I think we have. About a week ago the phones started going crazy, but the past three days we haven’t had more than one call per day.

Our county was just “closed” by the governor too, and it is being recommended that all “non-essential” businesses close for at least the next two weeks. We are not closing yet, as we have minimal real contact with the public, and not even that much with each other, but we are making plans to close, or at least work at a limited capacity temporarily, should the need arise.
 
moss said:
You haven’t heard of the infamous but eventually users learn to love it... Bum Gun? Yes, it is real. Jeff Gu confided he’s been using it for years and hasn’t been sharing ‘cause it gives him a competitive edge in the tree biz. Happy bum equals better tree worker every time!

-AJ
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What’s worse in Asia is when you want to use a restaurant bathroom and a local steps out after using it (completely dry clothing) but the entire stall (walls/ceiling/floor/door) is dripping with water after they have used the ‘bum gun’... it’s like they have sprayed their bum over every surface....
 
John@TreeXP said:
Maybe this has all been planned out, and the outcome will be the liberation of humanity into a galactic society. Who could of imagined this would cause a crash the fossil fuel/ gas and oil and travel industry? Does the focus appear to be on Iran, China and the Vatican/Italy, for a reason? Might this be the pretense to some way bigger plan, perhaps the creation of a new world republic, combined with the release of hidden technologies like free clean energy, anti-gravity propulsion, medical cures and much more?
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Debt jubilee?
 
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