Fu*%face Von Clownstick

@Tom Dunlap

Tom, the president's job isn't to help or hinder the economy, his role in the republic is to be the top level branch of defending the citizen's liberties and serving us (which most politicians sadly no longer do). As one of his assigned roles, he is supposed to set and promote foreign policy. As I stated, he pointed out that all the foreign misadventures previous administrations either got us into or allowed to occur is one of the biggest reasons we are now the biggest debtor nation in the world, as well as hated by most other countries for being the bully we are (both militarily and financially; sanctions are economic warfare).

Unlike the chattering echo chamber that is the Washington Beltway and the now limp MSM that no longer question their actions, Trump was correct that Russia is not our enemy and we need to work with them and not against them (that completely pisses off the majority of the establishment, as they need to hype a greater "enemy" to keep us scared and not question the fleecing of our money and liberties to keep control). Many established media organizations outside the US report on Russia wanting to work with us, but the constant chattering classes here yelling "RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA!!! " (insert vid of Rachel Maddow or Keith Olberman) make it near impossible to see these alternate points of view. Think about this, the media constantly claims we act to deter "Russian aggression", but which country is it that has over 800 military bases in over 130 countries worldwide, including many with nuclear missiles right near their "Biggest enemy's" border. Trump wants to work with an adversary, and for that he is called out for treason. The same with meeting with N. Korea and also desire for meeting w/Iran, neither of which pose a threat to us (and no, N Korea's nukes are not a threat to us, they are a deterrent to keep us from invading them, like we practice w/S. Korea annually). He's also keeps indicating he wants out of Afghanistan and Syria, 2 places our military should not be, and that causes the establishment to go nuts when he speaks of it (because they benefit from it; bigger discussion on that point I'm not going to dive into).

Many don't see it, because they don't understand that these global issues have more of an effect on US citizens than they realize (deficit spending leading to higher taxation, loss of civil liberties due to Patriot Act, the Thieves & Sexual Assailants/TSA gate-raping and stealing form us while failing their own tests 95% of the time, the govt. regs that allowed for our manufacturing base to be outsourced to the world and decimated flyover country employment, etc..). So the fact he's willing to talk about these things and make attempts to undo the stupidity our govt./military has done ranks him pretty damn high.

Additionally, asking a foreign government to work with our AG to look into corruption is exactly what our top diplomat should do, and you should know that no other president in recent memory would even think about that. As for calling it a "quid pro quo", there is no "there" there.

My $0.02
 
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BeerGeek,

I'm Canadian and i am in total agreement with you.

Very well said.

I hope Trump resists the low hanging fruit and doesn't start a war. If he does they will sing his praises.
 
@BeerGeek

In all that I don’t see even one OK thing that he’s done. Meeting w Russians is close...but meaningless. I meet friends for breakfast but we don’t “do” anything.

How has leaving Syria worked out for the Russians? They moved right into all sorts of military infrastructure that we left behind. If Captain Jack Aubrey couldn’t take cannons with him he at least had his armorers spoke the guns or decommission them.

Here’s your $0.02 back.
 
Now, there's some reliable, unbiased opinion from ZeroHedge (AKA ZeroCredibility).com that we can sink our teeth into... if you happen to value the opinion of Bulgarian whacko sites.
He was trying to balance out the flood of your Dailykos links. ;)

 
...your Dailykos links...

They're definitely hard to the left, and I have to fact check their shit because they let too many "contributors" through the gates that don't have their "I'm not an idiot" pass on them.

But, really... they do toss most of the "I have a bunker in my backyard!" stuff and stop letting them publish hogwash if they mention Wheat-Dingleberry-Tofu Crackers and Seaweed Sauce too many times.
 
Now, there's some reliable, unbiased opinion from ZeroHedge (AKA ZeroCredibility).com that we can sink our teeth into... if you happen to value the opinion of Bulgarian whacko sites.

Hmmm, attacking the platorm something is posted on and not the actual substance provided. That doesn't win a debate/argument on the facts presented. Try reading it/viewing the videos within and see what you come up with.
 
@BeerGeek

In all that I don’t see even one OK thing that he’s done. Meeting w Russians is close...but meaningless. I meet friends for breakfast but we don’t “do” anything.

How has leaving Syria worked out for the Russians? They moved right into all sorts of military infrastructure that we left behind. If Captain Jack Aubrey couldn’t take cannons with him he at least had his armorers spoke the guns or decommission them.

Here’s your $0.02 back.

Tom, meeting with leaders of other countries (whether friend, adversary or true foe) is the job of the top diplomat, aka his role. You have to start somewhere, and he's willing to do it, even with the shrieking of the beltway idiots at him.

Syria? Obama/Clinton managed to foment an invasion of mostly foreign jihadis (it was not a civil war), train and arm them and then join them in invading and attempt to regime change a country that presented no security or harm risk to our country. The duly elected government of Syria (recognized by the majority of UN nations) invited the Russians in and they cleaned up the mess. We are directly responsible for the illegal problem caused, so if the Russians gained in cleaning up our mess, so what?

Keep the $0.02
 
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It truly confounds me now why my birth state, that I spent 30 years in, continues to be one of the poorest states in the U.S. One economics website (obviously propagating fake information) had this to say.

"... it has low educational attainment and a dearth of urban centers with high-paying jobs. Only 21.1% of the state's residents hold bachelor's degrees, compared to 30.1% of people nationally ..."

That's pretty much what I remember. I still have good friends there, and some of us now have enough mutual respect for each other to leave race, religion, and politics out of the beer drinking because it really messes up the mood when listening to our old hippie and hair metal rock bands. Apparently though, my old friends, some of whom barely graduated high school, are brilliant, and are experts in history, constitutional law, economics, and foreign policy. Thankfully Donald J Trump has come to set the record straight and give them the recognition they have long been denied. Man, its gonna take some of the fun out of the beer drinking now knowing they've played me for a sucker all these years. I always thought they were being serious when they called me "professor". Fucking assholes.

But now, reflecting back, all that campfire talk about how they need to start hanging colored people again, how to best fertilize their pot plants, and how those damn Yankees are gonna get their ass kicked next time ... maybe I just wasn't paying attention to all the valuable insights from those discussions. Insights that could lead us, as a nation, to prosperity and to peace.

My grandfather, who was a WW2 Army vet and dedicated Christian must not have been listening either. The klan TRIED to burn a cross in his yard in 1971 after he hired a black man on his painting crew. I heard he pulled that stupid fucking white conehead sheet off one of them and it turned out to be one of his friends. I was 5, coming in with my mom from our paper route, and vaguely remember some of it. And by the way, if you've never seen the klan participate in a little hometown parade, then you should check it out sometime. It's pretty cool. Yes, the glory days are coming again :vomito: NOT!

And if you think this is all some sort of joke or that its not relevant to this discussion, then you obviously ain't been around those parts of the country much. Don't ever ever have any illusions as to why a certain bunch of people voted for the man. But if you have delusions that people like me are just gonna peacefully surrender when some right wing extremist tries to commandeer my moderately Democratic home for their soldiers one day, then you got pigshit in your fucking eyes. And none of this chatter is even going to matter at that point. Hey, I heard my president claim that his constituents would start a civil war if he got impeached, so ...

Miss you pops - you were the man, and my inspiration, and I'm glad you ain't here to see this bullshit. I still have your flag picture hanging in my office.
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@BeerGeek

Even without RR's dismantling I know enough about economics to have known that rump's 'tax cut' was rubbish.

How come you see a good economy and I see a disaster looming? Please explain.


Where did I say I see a good economy? Central banks around the world are screwing us in so many ways and have been for decades that even if Trump was some sort of financial/business genius (he's not), he still wouldn't be able to unscrew the impending financial disaster. That we can at least agree on.
 
Bill Barr is now the most dangerous man in America.....


Hard to take anything after this statement very seriously...

Rico, not trrying to pick or fight or anything, biut how is Russia our enemy? The USSR was, but they folded in the early 90's and Russia is less than a tenth as large and has an economy smaller than Texas. Putin has been quoted in many interviews as wanting to work with the West (and the US in particular), but all the shrieking Belteway idiots can do is shriek "RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA!!!" about things that have not happened:

Russia interfered in our election!: No they didn't. A click bait ad ompany buying $100K in Facebook ads, mostly after the election did not do anything. Nor did all 17 security agencies come out and agree on a factless assumption (it was only 3-4, consisting of lying John Brennan hand picked analysts making an assessment with no proof).

Do you think the Russian people hate us? Why do so many of them try to migrate here? The East Coast, where I am has many long standing Russian/former Soviet Bloc communities, and they are some of the best and most intelligent people I know.

The chattering classes and all those in positions of power constantly drill this idea into our skulls because it benefits them to have us afraid and agree with the stupidity they push. It just allows them to take away more of our liberty while claiming to "secure us" and mulct us for more taxes (and justify more debt spending) to pay their way.

Try and step back to think about it a little more broadly. Maybe have a beverage w/Cedric an discuss.... ;)
 
Try reading it/viewing the videos...

Like videos of Lutsenko, who has lied numerous times and been caught at it, and who then retracts his lies in later interviews (like the ones with Bloomberg, L.A. Times and The Hill) in which he retracts what he says in the video you posted... and has since been saying that Marie Yovanavitch never gave him any "do not prosecute" list? In fact, the wording he uses in your interview closely matches a meeting that did take place, in which Giuliani was involved. Perhaps he can't keep his crooks in a row.

There's not much point in "discussing" conspiracies that offer either no corroboration, or "facts" that are recanted lies.
 
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Appearing on Sunday Evening With Vladimir Soloviev, Mikhail Gusman, first deputy director general of ITAR-TASS, Russia’s oldest and largest news agency, predicted: “Sooner or later, the Democrats will come back into power. The next term or the term after that, it doesn’t matter... I have an even more unpleasant forecast for Trump. After the White House, he will face a very unhappy period.”
The host, Vladimir Soloviev, smugly asked: “Should we get another apartment in Rostov ready?” Soloviev’s allusion was to the situation of Viktor Yanukovych, former president of Ukraine, who was forced to flee to Russia in 2014 and settled in the city of Rostov-on-Don.

Maybe they can set up a big-screen TV in the apartment, so he can watch his pee tapes.
 

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