TC
If you can't comprehend the accumulation of millions of tiny adaptations over millions of generations over millions of years
Let us play that numbers game for a moment if you like.
How many people are on the planet just now?
7,299,625,805 according to
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ just now.
How many human genomes are there around the world? One. Just one. Really? With all that evolution going on, we have a single global genome?
How many variations have we seen in the one singular genome over the last hundred years and 15 or so billions of people? None.
So we have _one_ race with zero variation => we are not evolving now. Or do you have a friend who has some positive genetic mutation that the rest of us know nothing about?
Assuming for a moment that millions of tiny positive mutations could generate a human being.... and that we dont see more negative genetic mutations that scupper any great advancement (know anyone born with a problem due to some genetic code malfunction?), then those will have happened at random and so there have to be lots of diverse populations with lots of variations. At least billions of those populations for some possible random good things to happen within at least one... for each of those millions of variations you mentioned.... so where are all those billions of populations of millions of people now? Where is the evidence of their prior existance?
Someone might argue that if you can't debate without substituting facts with assertions and evidence with crass insults...
TC said:
you are a moronic cretin incapable of critical thought.
TC said:
Complex living structures don't suddenly spring into life and appear before your eyes having evolved into a new species - Darwinian evolution doesn't make that claim either, to suggest it does is a blatant misrepresentation of the facts.
Lets be clear that Darwin's famous book talked mostly about Micro evolution - and noone sane disputes that, because it is evident with every generation of every creature. He cited various criters supporting the hypothesis such as the finches. He added another hypothesis in an appendix that regurgitated Greek thinking about the origin of species which his father had spent a lot of time thinking about (yes it wasnt actually original). This we call macro evolution - that multiple changes can change one species into another.
Interestingly the finches example was not one of the later - but it does show something very interesting. The observation was that finches on each island had become "adapted" or "specialised" to the food source - specifically the shape of their beak. The suggestion was that new DNA had been generated to make this specialisation and the finch had "evolved". Text books are still full of this idea... But...
The truth is simpler. The finches on each island had become specialised by _losing_ information, that is genes for beak variety that did not fit the local diet became increasingly recessive because individuals were not so able to feed, reach adulthood and procreate - thereby sustaining those genes. This is the same way we breed dogs, horses... human beings... oh and trees! We breed to "select" particular traits and get rid of indivuals that dont fit what we need. After a few generations of selection, new generations become unable to produce the other variations.
This is (un)natural selection. And the result of (un)natural selection is not Evolution -but 'devolution' - those birds had _less_ genetic variety become gene pairs become selectively recessive, all the while still having the same genome - so being the same species or in biblical terms "kind". (Species is a word we made up a couple of hundred years ago - which is why its not in the Bible).
Oh by the way - believing in the "theories of evolution" is quite the moving target. Since they are just theories, they change a lot - some very rapidly. Many are still quoted, asserted and espoused even decades after they have been proven impossible. Have fun keeping up!
TC said:
Creationism is simply a form of primitive storytelling that is required by crazed zealots within many religions in order to perpetuate and support the supernatural narratives of the scriptures. If you actually believe in creationism it would be wise to keep it to yourself otherwise you'll be thought of as the village idiot, most reasonable and intelligent people will assume you're mentally ill.
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I'll just observe that in my experience, people who don't have any facts to debate with just start hurling insults or try to silence their "opposition". Or both. Its the "grown-up" version of sticking your hands over your ears and shouting insults then screaming blah blah blah I cant hear you blah blah blah.
By the way - no-one is forcing anyone to read this thread, and it has long been hijacked from its original purpose - predictably.
Could we carry on without ad-hominem attacks and insults? Debating can be fun and might be very positive if we _all_ showed some respect, and considered that all other human beings have opinions and thoughts - and we might be wrong... (even **me**
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