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evo said:
https://www.greenseattle.org/western-redcedar-die-off-in-seattle-parks/

I met Rippey at the pnw conference, native bugs. The conversation was short and distracted.
Also Susan Samard (sp?) made a very brief mention of maple cedar association. In her Ted talks she mentioned something along the lines of cedar being separate from the mycorrhizal relationships she discovered between fir and other species. I had a slight moment to speak with her before her talk, and wanted to ask more about the cedar afterwards but she had to run for the door!
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Suzanne Simard :)

Thanks for sharing that link, some good food for thought. It’s a sad conclusion though
 
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Evo, thanks. Will read.

Interesting about an association. Bigleaf maple is hurting bad. Have you heard/ read about it.

My ex- has been working on maple dieback for 8 years, and the USFS, IIRC, has been seeing decline for 20+. Still a mystery.
 
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Evo, thanks. Will read.

Interesting about an association. Bigleaf maple is hurting bad. Have you heard/ read about it.

My ex- has been working on maple dieback for 8 years, and the USFS, IIRC, has been seeing decline for 20+. Still a mystery.
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Yes I’ve seen it! Was skeptical until this past summer. I volunteered to take samples for DNA mapping, basically everything west of the cascades in Washington State. Covered more ground in the woods this past summer than I have in the past decade.
I am now a true believer in the decline! I have to say that seeing all the climate change impacts under the smoke filled sky has left a desperate impression on me. 1A49DEB2-3E5C-4D35-9D28-790FA00BD2BA.webp6572ADD8-787C-45B1-86DA-8C818D7107AD.webpEA9528B6-6538-40A4-BA05-ABDE6AFB4F9B.webp
 
We are seeing the same thing with the Cedars in the Sierra's. On top of the catastrophic, historic Pine death, the Cedars and Firs are also taking a real beating. Even 1000-3000 year old Redwoods are looking very unwell. I have spent my whole life admiring some of these giants, and I have never seen them looking this bad. Fuck global warming/climate change!
 
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I wonder how such intense wildfire smoke affects overall lifeforms.


Get it while you can. Like watching glaciers calving into the sea, big trees are becoming more scarce as time goes on. Makes me want to bring my kid down to the redwoods, soon. Always wanted to see glaciers meeting the sea.
 
southsoundtree said:
I wonder how such intense wildfire smoke affects overall lifeforms.


Get it while you can. Like watching glaciers calving into the sea, big trees are becoming more scarce as time goes on. Makes me want to bring my kid down to the redwoods, soon. Always wanted to see glaciers meeting the sea.
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This is the sad spin on climate change/eco tourism.. See it ASAP cause it's going to be gone!

@rico It seems as if we are starting to get what ya'll have, the drought is creeping northward. It's not just cedars, and bigleaf maples here. Laminated root rot pockets jumping up in scale and size, tracts of beetle kill, hemlocks dying in every sort of way.. We seriously need to stop all forms of deforestation, until a sustainable model of forest remediation is put into place and proven successful. Still seeing miles and miles of monoculture mismanaged forest, while giant log decks are waiting for export of ever smaller trees on shorter rotation.

I got stuck between two fires this summer, only way out was to turn around and take a 5+ hour drive. They let the fire burn it's self out on three sides into the national forest, while they held the lines for the timber lands. It was pretty blatant, protect the economic interests and let the rest go! Granted however the national forest side was shitty steep terrain with few roads for fire breaks. This was in the freaking Olympic Peninsula!

The DNR, and others are pushing defendable space, and other fire mitigation efforts. Trouble is the Wet/west side ecosystems are not adaptable to east side approaches. There needs to be a new model developed, one with no historical context.

Brave new world
 
rico said:
150-200 years of industrial humanity is bring Mother Earth to her knees. I feel and fear that it is most likely too late, and I certainly don't envy you folks with children. That shit would keep me up at night, and make me angrier than I already am.
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Aye! It does keep me up, certainly considering wilderness survival/urban as part of the kids education.
 
I feel you Evo. If I had kids I would probably move WAY of the grid and protect them from the modern world as much as possible. Teaching them to fend for themselves, and to survive without modern amenities would most likely be my # 1 priority. I would turn those little shits into a combo of Euell Gibbons, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Rambo.

On a side note checkout the book "The man who quit money." An amazing character, an amazing true story, and a great read.
 
I have those inclinations at times but mostly am too lazy to act on. I am banking on the continuation of society for at least a few more generations. There have been people who hid their kids from the world for ages thinking the end is tomorrow. Not an easy topic to be sure!
 
It would not be so much about hiding them from the world, but trying to show them a simpler better world, and not allowing them to become so reliant on all the silly necessities of modern life.
I also don't think the end is coming anytime too soon, but I do feel that shit is likely to get fairly weird in the next 25-50 years, so preparing my children to be able to take care of themselves would be very important to me.
 
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rico said:
It would not be so much about hiding them from the world, but trying to show them a simpler better world, and not allowing them to become so reliant on all the silly necessities of modern life.
I also don't think the end is coming anytime too soon, but I do feel that shit is likely to get fairly weird in the next 25-50 years, so preparing my children to be able to take care of themselves would be very important to me.
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I dig it. I Am fairly confident my kids will survive or.. they won't! I agree some weird stuff will happen in the next few decades but it is their world and their time, humans will adapt and thrive I believe. Each generation faces unique changes and challenges. I suspect that the world of the future may seem uninhabitable or just plain weird to many of us today like the realities of today are unimaginable or very undesirable to the average person 50 or even 25 yrs ago. Who knows though you gotta assume mad max scenario will happen eventually? I like to believe we'll continue on for sometime, with or without the redwoods and right wales.
 
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