With all the new climbing systems!
- Thread starter sohner
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- Haddonfield, nj
yeah, the mars bar system is double rope, and way way expensive
- Location
- Lexington, Kentucky
I've been looking into starting SRT, but all the gear required is alot of money. The RADS system looks really nice though, so my question would be is this a good starter system for not a ton of dough. I already have the pulley, rope for the tether, etc. All I would need would be an ascender, descender (Where could I find the Eddy, since I hear alot of good things about it, at least for a price), and the red strap seen in the pics from new tribe.
Another questio, how long should that red strap be. I would like to just buy one from Sherrill in a standard lenght, but wanted to know what length it was, and if you had to have one length over another. Thanks alot
Another questio, how long should that red strap be. I would like to just buy one from Sherrill in a standard lenght, but wanted to know what length it was, and if you had to have one length over another. Thanks alot
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- south carolina
tom, i tend to agree with you about the whole "back-up" thing. we never back up a climbing hitch. cavers have been using systems similar if not identical to our srt systems for years and, tell me if i'm wrong, but i can't recall seeing them back their ascenders up with blake's hitches or anything like that. so why is it such a big deal, especially in competitions for contestants to back up their ascenders? especially if you are using a handled ascender and a croll?
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- Retired in Minneapolis
Over 20 years ago I picked up a first edition of On Rope. That's where my interest in SRT started. Backups should be built into the system not layered onto each other.
A chest ascender is a good core to center the SRT system on. With a good tether the chest ascender allows the climber just a bit of a rest each time the move up the rope.
Keeping the ascenders physically separated gives a better margin of safety too.
PUshing a friction hitch above an ascender hasn't been a favorite system of mine for a long time.
Ranger,
Get a copy of On Rope and read it cover to cover. You'll have a great base of knowledge that will serve you for years to come. You could skip most of the tree climbing section though. There are some funky things going on there. On Rope is a book that has proven to be quite timeless like The Tree Climber's Companion.
Google 'Edelrid Eddy' you should be able to find a vendor. In one of the SRT threads I think that someon found it for around $100 or so.
You're going to be faced with two SRT choices. Either RADS or Treefrog. There is common gear between the two so you could setup either.
A chest ascender is a good core to center the SRT system on. With a good tether the chest ascender allows the climber just a bit of a rest each time the move up the rope.
Keeping the ascenders physically separated gives a better margin of safety too.
PUshing a friction hitch above an ascender hasn't been a favorite system of mine for a long time.
Ranger,
Get a copy of On Rope and read it cover to cover. You'll have a great base of knowledge that will serve you for years to come. You could skip most of the tree climbing section though. There are some funky things going on there. On Rope is a book that has proven to be quite timeless like The Tree Climber's Companion.
Google 'Edelrid Eddy' you should be able to find a vendor. In one of the SRT threads I think that someon found it for around $100 or so.
You're going to be faced with two SRT choices. Either RADS or Treefrog. There is common gear between the two so you could setup either.
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- Lexington, Kentucky
Thanks alot Tom. I found a place in the UK that sells it for around $70 I think, so I contacted them about price and shipping just to be sure. Will also pick up a copy of On Rope also. Thanks alot for your help. After I get everything I'll try and post some pics and try to get it set up right. Thanks again
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- Haddonfield, nj
good stuff tom, ill be sure to check into on rope
jman, i use a vt knot above my hand ascender, it doesnt lag much and gives me that extra sence of safety from the mechanical monster that is hand ascenders. i believe that the treefrog system you are talking about, if im not mistaken, utilizes 3 ascenders, the hand ascender is backed up by the chest ascender, the pantin has no back up, for obvious reasons, i think the chest ascender and hand ascender act as back ups for each other (but, i could be wrong, tom would know)
jman, i use a vt knot above my hand ascender, it doesnt lag much and gives me that extra sence of safety from the mechanical monster that is hand ascenders. i believe that the treefrog system you are talking about, if im not mistaken, utilizes 3 ascenders, the hand ascender is backed up by the chest ascender, the pantin has no back up, for obvious reasons, i think the chest ascender and hand ascender act as back ups for each other (but, i could be wrong, tom would know)
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- Retired in Minneapolis
Ranger,
The word 'try' shouldn't be in a climbers vocabulary. Either you do or you don't.
Take lots of time on the ground to work out the bugs. Set up a line and then 'walk' the shadows of the limbs on the ground. Or lay out some 2x6's as pretend limbs to walk on.
If you ever have questions ask here, email me or give a call.
Where did you find the Eddy for $70, are you sure that wasn't 70 pounds?
The word 'try' shouldn't be in a climbers vocabulary. Either you do or you don't.
Take lots of time on the ground to work out the bugs. Set up a line and then 'walk' the shadows of the limbs on the ground. Or lay out some 2x6's as pretend limbs to walk on.
If you ever have questions ask here, email me or give a call.
Where did you find the Eddy for $70, are you sure that wasn't 70 pounds?
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- sunny Madison, WI
Tom -- I believe you are trying to say:
"Do or do not... There is no try."
"Do or do not... There is no try."
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- Retired in Minneapolis
Yoda Da Man!
I learned the 'try' lesson in a training where someone was told to 'try' to pick up a pen from the floor.
I learned the 'try' lesson in a training where someone was told to 'try' to pick up a pen from the floor.
Tony
Carpal tunnel level member
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- Lancaster, PA
Here is an Article that appeared in the February 2006 edition of arbor age. It discusses much of what is being put forth here.
Tony
Tony
Tom says; "Think through the whole concept of backing up ascenders very carefully. Substitute friction hitches into your thoughts. Does anyone backup friction hitches? They are just as susceptible to failure as mechanical devices."
I have been climbing for 20 years now. 18 or so of these I only used a taught line hitch. Never had a problem. Now 2 years ago I picked up a set of Marbars on ebay for cheap and fell in love with them. Now I can get to the top of any tree around here in 5 mins, doesnt matter if its covered in ivy whatever. So I am now bit with the GEAR bug. This summer whilst in a small tree I was playing with a mechanical device which I didnt have backed up. Long story short a spring clip came loose and the device failed. I fell 37 feet. Now I back up my marbars with a martin and use a friction hitch when I tie in. I must be missing something but I cannt see how a hitch can fail????
Paul
I have been climbing for 20 years now. 18 or so of these I only used a taught line hitch. Never had a problem. Now 2 years ago I picked up a set of Marbars on ebay for cheap and fell in love with them. Now I can get to the top of any tree around here in 5 mins, doesnt matter if its covered in ivy whatever. So I am now bit with the GEAR bug. This summer whilst in a small tree I was playing with a mechanical device which I didnt have backed up. Long story short a spring clip came loose and the device failed. I fell 37 feet. Now I back up my marbars with a martin and use a friction hitch when I tie in. I must be missing something but I cannt see how a hitch can fail????
Paul
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- sunny Madison, WI
The hitch has one of the same problems as the mechanical device: the operator.
No matter how many times I tie a knot/hitch, there is always the possibility that I do something wrong. The same holds true for mechanical devices.
No matter how many times I tie a knot/hitch, there is always the possibility that I do something wrong. The same holds true for mechanical devices.
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- Retired in Minneapolis
Tony,
Who wrote the AA article?
I disagree with the definitions of backups.
The way that I look at backups is that they are parallel parts of the system and can ALWAYS be there to take over. Not in series where, if one fails, the next one will take over. Much different approach.
Who wrote the AA article?
I disagree with the definitions of backups.
The way that I look at backups is that they are parallel parts of the system and can ALWAYS be there to take over. Not in series where, if one fails, the next one will take over. Much different approach.
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- Haddonfield, nj
tom, i believe Mike Tain wrote the article
Tony
Carpal tunnel level member
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- Lancaster, PA
The article defines a back up as such:
A “back up” is any component that will limit a fall or slip and can alternately be used in place of the primary. A back up must serve the same function as the primary. (perhaps the article should have added the word "simultaneously".)
A safety is defined as such:
a “safety” is any component that serves to limit a slip or fall.
Following these definitions an example of a back up would be any hitch or mechanical device used for ascent. An example of a safety would be tying up short on your ascent line with a stopper knot.
In short Tom,I think you and the article are saying the same thing. The article is simply attempting to differentiate between a primary and a back up. They are in essence the same and by definition to be used in conjunction, but for clarity of discussion it is best to define all terms.
The article is my attempt at a contribution.
But I am flattered to be confused with House, AKA Michael Tain
Tony
A “back up” is any component that will limit a fall or slip and can alternately be used in place of the primary. A back up must serve the same function as the primary. (perhaps the article should have added the word "simultaneously".)
A safety is defined as such:
a “safety” is any component that serves to limit a slip or fall.
Following these definitions an example of a back up would be any hitch or mechanical device used for ascent. An example of a safety would be tying up short on your ascent line with a stopper knot.
In short Tom,I think you and the article are saying the same thing. The article is simply attempting to differentiate between a primary and a back up. They are in essence the same and by definition to be used in conjunction, but for clarity of discussion it is best to define all terms.
The article is my attempt at a contribution.
But I am flattered to be confused with House, AKA Michael Tain
Tony
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