Wire Core Lanyard

First of all I never ever climb with a steel core lanyard. I did buy a brand new one last year, but after one climb it is back in the basement. It is stiff, unhandy and horible to climb with. BUT: Surely a steel core lanyard is a lot safer than a robe lanyard. You can easily cut through it with just a handsaw and even though you can cut it with a chainsaw, it takes quite a bit longer and as you can see in the video, it makes a lot of sparkes before you are cut out if the tree.
I always have my climbingline as a backup, when I use my rope lanyard, so I feel pretty safe though. :-)
Take care and be safe!
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A wire core lanyard is certainly not magic, it can be cut with a chainsaw running at full-throttle. But the same can be said for your chainsaw pants or chaps, they are only capable of stopping a chain on off-throttle spin down.

And that is where the cut resistance of a wire core comes in. Hit a rope under tension off-throttle and it's done, a wire core will survive an off-throttle hit.

It is interesting to note that the wire core lanyard was in use in the trees for some years before the chainsaw was. So it was never designed with stopping a chainsaw in mind.

They sure do flip nicely though...

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BUT: Surely a steel core lanyard is a lot safer than a robe lanyard. You can easily cut through it with just a handsaw and even though you can cut it with a chainsaw, it takes quite a bit longer and as you can see in the video, it makes a lot of sparkes before you are cut out if the tree.


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This is what I thought, too. But it is NOT true. I cut through a wire core lanyard with a MS200 with little effort and just as quick as cutting through a rope lanyard.

I saw that video, and this was not my experience at all. I cut through the lanyard in less than 1 second, and no sparks. I think the chainsaw in the video was dull.

Sure, a wire core is safer around a handsaw, but the catch is handsaws are not the primary cutting tool during a removal (hopefully not, anyway).
 
i've got a wire core and the only time I use it is if I'm doing a spar type removal with few branches. It is NICE for flipping and that the reason I use it. I think tying in twice is the best bet for if you cut something
 
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looks like it holds up pretty good to me.


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One, look at it cut the log, saw is half dull.
Two, he is cutting the cable length ways.
Three, cut straight down on it with a brand new or proper sharp chain, you'll be through in less than 4 seconds.
 
I have personally hit both a rope and a wire-core lanyard with my saw in my younger days. The rope cut like a hot knife through butter, the wire-core is still kicking.

Holly, to say that you would be through in less than 4 seconds is huge when you consider that you will go through a rope in less than a quarter of a second. Plus if you hit a wire core you will definitely feel it and might even see it sparking, both will make you pull back with the saw hopefully in time to keep from cutting all the way through. With a rope you would never have that safety margin, once you touch it, you are instantly all the way through.

To say that a wire core lanyard is no safer than a rope lanyard is ridiculous. What's easier to cut, nylon/polyester or steel? Think about it. Let's use some common sense here folks.
 
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To say that a wire core lanyard is no safer than a rope lanyard is ridiculous. What's easier to cut, nylon/polyester or steel? Think about it. Let's use some common sense here folks.

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Never did I say it wasn't safer. It's not idjit proof though. As Sherri's cartoon would lead one to belive.
 
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To say that a wire core lanyard is no safer than a rope lanyard is ridiculous. What's easier to cut, nylon/polyester or steel? Think about it. Let's use some common sense here folks.

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Your common-sense is misguided. Sure, a knife would cut through a rope easier than a wire rope. But when you take a more powerful cutter, like a chainsaw, the difference is negligible.

I'm speaking from experience and IN CAPS IF YOU WANT...WIRE CORES ARE NOT SAFER AROUND CHAINSAWS.

Try it yourself if you don't believe me.
 
"Try it yourself if you don't believe me. "

Whoa, easy there KY, apparently you didn't read my post at all. As I said, I have also personally hit both a rope and a wire core lanyard with my MS200T. The rope was completely severed in about a quarter of a second, the lanyard is still around to face another day.

I don't know what brand my lanyard is or what brand yours is, but apparently they are not all created equal. If I had your experience of cutting steel like butter, I would have some serious questions for the manufacturer of your lanyard.

And for the record, using caps in a post to get a point across is not only annoying for anyone who has to read the post, but it also demonstrates your lack of command of the English language. Caps are the equivalent of screaming at people, and screaming at people to get a point across is childish. I hope you don't try to reason with your co-workers the same way when they disagree. Either learn to assert your point of view in clear, articulate language, or get down off your soap box altogether. Nobody wants to hear your screaming.
 
Well Muggs, it is on like donkey kong. Quote war!
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Whoa, easy there KY, apparently you didn't read my post at all. As I said, I have also personally hit both a rope and a wire core lanyard with my MS200T. The rope was completely severed in about a quarter of a second, the lanyard is still around to face another day.

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I cut my wire core lanyard in the shop in a controlled environment. The chainsaw was perpendicular to the lanyard. Now granted, the saw chain is typically in line with the lanyard in a work setting. But the point is that a wire core lanyard can be cut easily with a chainsaw and should not be considered relatively "more safe" than a rope lanyard when using a chainsaw.

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I don't know what brand my lanyard is or what brand yours is, but apparently they are not all created equal. If I had your experience of cutting steel like butter, I would have some serious questions for the manufacturer of your lanyard.

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Mine was manufactured by Buckingham. I think that in this debate, distinguishing between manufacturers is irrelevant because we are arguing inter-materials, not intra-materials.

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And for the record, using caps in a post to get a point across is not only annoying for anyone who has to read the post,but it also demonstrates your lack of command of the English language.

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I don't need caps to demonstrate to you my lack of command of the English language.
 
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I don't need caps to demonstrate to you my lack of command of the English language.

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I can vouch for his inability to effectively communicate to other native english speakers.
 
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wire core fliplines gave no more protection than non-wire core ones when you are using a chainsaw. does anyone know if that is true?

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This is a question of "no more protection". Safe versus safer.

Unless someone were to want to argue that a steel cable is not more cut resistant (not cut-proof) than rope, the answer seems to be there.
 
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wire core fliplines gave no more protection than non-wire core ones when you are using a chainsaw. does anyone know if that is true?

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This is a question of "no more protection". Safe versus safer.

Unless someone were to want to argue that a steel cable is not more cut resistant (not cut-proof) than rope, the answer seems to be there.

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perfect. that sums it up without anyone getting angry and YELLING AT EACH OTHER and confirms my idea on this matter thanks
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I was looking at the articles on the buzz and stumbled upon an article written by mark chisholm and it said

"It is also a fact that it takes the average saw about three seconds to cut through a steel core lanyard."

don't you just love it when you answer your own question after you ask somebody else?
 
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