Which is more Dangerous ?

Today I one handed a chainsaw while jumping my motorcycle over a shark tank.

I'm still perfectly fine.

Last Thursday I buried my Uncle John who died after a 3 year battle with pancreatic cancer. Dudes tough ad nails. Even the swaze didn't last that long and he could round house kick with tight jeans on (Road House reference)

The point....I forget.

No wait. The point being. There's tons of risks that everyone takes and never feels the effects.
 
So the great white missed his meal.

Since you brought it up about pancreatic cancer,it is a tough one and too bad about your Uncle. My wife is a 16 year survivor of it. She made the medical journals etc. She got it at a young age of only 38. Doing fine now, splits wood all day and runs a saw and then goes to her real job from 4 to 12:30. Another story in itself.
 
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One hand saw use , another attempt to get in a one handed saw use debate , YAWN it goes on and on and on .

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Yes the old one handed saw debate and brought up by a non climbing arborist. Must not be a whole lot of cutting, catching and tossing going on when standing on the ground.
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So the great white missed his meal.

Since you brought it up about pancreatic cancer,it is a tough one and too bad about your Uncle. My wife is a 16 year survivor of it. She made the medical journals etc. She got it at a young age of only 38. Doing fine now, splits wood all day and runs a saw and then goes to her real job from 4 to 12:30. Another story in itself.

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I couldn't be more happy for the both of you. That's great to hear. We have established our own awareness/research contribution website at powcore.com. Even in his death we will always have him in our lives and do what we can to help cure / prevent this.
 
motorcycle,car,saw.......im guilty as anyone for onehanding my saw sometimes. the thing is don't put any part of you're body in line with the bar. kickback comes from the tip of the bar. when does the tip of the bar contact anything while trimming a tree?
 
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Accidents caused by others is a misnomer. If someone swerves into your lane and you rear end them, it's their fault for swerving recklessly, and your fault for not allowing sufficient following distance, and maintaining sufficient vigilance to allow an option other than colliding.


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let's consider head-on collisions, like happen each year from the Oregon coast to Portland. Where vehicles are going 55 mph at the speed limit in each direction, and typically faster for the passing auto. And if someone swerves to pass into an oncoming vehicle or motorcycle, there is no time to react.

That's why the "misnomer" thing does not seem to fit in plenty of cases.
 
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Accidents caused by others is a misnomer. If someone swerves into your lane and you rear end them, it's their fault for swerving recklessly, and your fault for not allowing sufficient following distance, and maintaining sufficient vigilance to allow an option other than colliding.


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let's consider head-on collisions, like happen each year from the Oregon coast to Portland. Where vehicles are going 55 mph at the speed limit in each direction, and typically faster for the passing auto. And if someone swerves to pass into an oncoming vehicle or motorcycle, there is no time to react.

That's why the "misnomer" thing does not seem to fit in plenty of cases.



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I agree. Sounds like an insurance company excuse to spread the blame. You know like when they say any accident is partially your fault just because you were driving that day.

Here's a scenerio: Sitting in your vehicle, foot on the brake, turn signal operating, waiting for opposing traffic to pass so that you can make a turn. 18 year old driver (probably on cell phone) plows into the back of your vehicle. She says she didn't see you.

Here's another since someone mentioned skiing: Going down a trail that enters a learner area. A boarder hot dogging it ignores the big orange sign that says "SLOW", has to swerve to avoid the group of kids in the ski class and blind sides you. Then trys to give you sh*t, saying you were in his way.

Anyway, back to the original question, I would say that in New Jersey, definately riding a motor cycle (street bike).

-BarnHouse
 
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Accidents caused by others is a misnomer. If someone swerves into your lane and you rear end them, it's their fault for swerving recklessly, and your fault for not allowing sufficient following distance, and maintaining sufficient vigilance to allow an option other than colliding.


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let's consider head-on collisions, like happen each year from the Oregon coast to Portland. Where vehicles are going 55 mph at the speed limit in each direction, and typically faster for the passing auto. And if someone swerves to pass into an oncoming vehicle or motorcycle, there is no time to react.

That's why the "misnomer" thing does not seem to fit in plenty of cases.



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...Here's a scenerio: Sitting in your vehicle, foot on the brake, turn signal operating, waiting for opposing traffic to pass so that you can make a turn. 18 year old driver (probably on cell phone) plows into the back of your vehicle. She says she didn't see you...

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Exactly.

Or what about that truck and pickup that got slammed into recently when the 2 School buses both failed to stop on the highway for those vehicles?

And although many motorcyclists wreck on their own, there are also many who were hit while doing everything right with no time to react.
 
bike, seatbelt, one-handing.

From a statistical perspective that would be the order. I agree with the statement that the if you get away with it then it becomes the process. See it all the time. Not that it will happen for sure just your putting yourself at an unnecessary risk.

While there's risk in every day activities these are the calculated ones that we are prepared to take and accept the consequences.

As for the handling of the chainsaw, that is a risk that stands to affect not just me but everyone in this profession. That's not acceptable.
 
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As for the handling of the chainsaw, that is a risk that stands to affect not just me but everyone in this profession. That's not acceptable.

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Why?

If someone is not digging the tip in, and the cut cannot result in the saw coming back at them, why would it be unacceptable? Again, if the saw is not in a position to come back at the climber.

I would also like this to overlap comparison with an axe.

Personally, I would not one-hand a big axe. Nor use an axe where it can come back at me.

But I would one-hand a hatchet, because it can be controlled.
 
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bike, seatbelt, one-handing.


As for the handling of the chainsaw, that is a risk that stands to affect not just me but everyone in this profession. That's not acceptable.

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Well accept and get off you soapbox .
 
one again we need a like button for comments!!!! thank you riggs, well said sir, well said.
 
What I meant by it not being acceptable is the impact it will have on insurance rates for everyone.

The axe and hatchet analogy doesn't wash, an axe is a two handed tool whereas a hatchet is a one handed tool much alike to a sledgehammer and framing hammer comparison.


Now if WC insurance would rate you on your own merits then go for it!
 
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What I meant by it not being acceptable is the impact it will have on insurance rates for everyone.

The axe and hatchet analogy doesn't wash, an axe is a two handed tool whereas a hatchet is a one handed tool much alike to a sledgehammer and framing hammer comparison.


Now if WC insurance would rate you on your own merits then go for it!

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Anybody bought an axe or hatchet lately that was labeled as a one-handed or two-handed tool?

Technically, its impossible for anybody to follow the manual 100% anyway, like the 200T. The moment someone pulls their hand off the the starter rope handle, its temporarily under one-handed operation.

Aside from that technicality, do all the "two handed operators" shut the saw down every time they are done, or do they leave it running dangling near their feet?
 
I've done Edmonton to San Diego on an RZ500RR. Then back up the coast highway to Vancouver.

I've done Toronto to Victoria, BC and back on a Vtr 1000.

I've been from Toronto to the Poconos on a ZX-7 acouple of times.

I've had close calls, I've had bread trucks turn left directly in front of me, always used my skills from dirtbiking to avoid the situation.

I am certain I have more miles on a bike than on four wheels, my concern is never what I might do, but the other guy, and his unknown intention.

I would put riding a motorcycle way down the list, but it would be hard to place one-handing. You have to pik your spots.

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most dangerous:

Motorcycle

then without seatbelt in a car

then one handing a small climbing chainsaw.

I one hand quite a bit.

When it's SAFER and when I'm trimming something like a large bradford pear with over 50 cuts per tree.

Go ahead; ask me when it's safer to cut with one hand!

I've been keeping a mental count for a few years now AND have video clips to show when.

If you say that one handing is ALWAYS dangerous and should never be done. Then I say, you either do not climb every day, nor do hazardous tree removals or 12 hour trim jobs. (Like the 12 hours of trimming MattyD and I did today.) Or if one handing a 200T is too dangerous for you, then you are likely a limp wristed fagot or can not control your motor skills.

I'll add more to this thread later likely, and maybe this will push me to put out a video.

But for safety; one handing gets my torso and head further away from the piece being cut in situations where forces, hollow and cracks might make things less predictable. Two handing the chainsaw in those situations only means that my torso and vital organs are closer to something that might strike me and kill me.

So, my opinion is: two handing a chainsaw at all times is dangerous and ridiculous.
 
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I chainsaw one handed many times a day six times a week . I don't even remember a close call . One hand saw use , another attempt to get in a one handed saw use debate , YAWN it goes on and on and on .

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Ditto.

Sorry to hear about your daughter, and glad that she survived relatively unscathed.
 
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If you say that one handing is ALWAYS dangerous and should never be done. Then I say, you either do not climb every day, nor do hazardous tree removals or 12 hour trim jobs. (Like the 12 hours of trimming MattyD and I did today.) Or if one handing a 200T is too dangerous for you, then you are likely a limp wristed fagot or can not control your motor skills.


But for safety; one handing gets my torso and head further away from the piece being cut in situations where forces, hollow and cracks might make things less predictable. Two handing the chainsaw in those situations only means that my torso and vital organs are closer to something that might strike me and kill me.

So, my opinion is: two handing a chainsaw at all times is dangerous and ridiculous.

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Best treatise I've yet read on this oft discussed subject. And, I agree wholeheartedly....
 
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