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Awesome post. Too often I found myself talked into trees that just shouldn't be climbed. Too often I found myself trying to make miracles happen on underbid jobs and too often I found myself feeling his stress and presure.

Not any more

Now I state exactly why the tree shouldn't be climbed, and I use literature and others knowledge to explain why. Now I tell him when I think the job will be done, if I am fortunate enough to think of or find a faster approach or the job just goes faster then I call him to let him know. The thing is, I never feel that presure anymore, if I work as hard as I can and the job didn't get done then I have nothing to feel bad about. I now still feel his presure but that's just the way I am.

Climb safe and you can always find a new boss if you have to, climb dumb and you may never make it home
 
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Wooops I'm gonna bust yer balls Holly. Fast doesn't always win if you're talking about repeat business. Right is what counts, good cleanup, time spent educating the customer. Those things aren't fast and don't translate into maxinmum volume of work... but they do translate to really good work on high end property with nice pay. I can say that cuz I'm one slow old dog with a pretty steady backlog.


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Blah blah, okay Mr. fast and good work can't be done hand in hand. Same B.S. lines I always hear from slow climbers. Anytime you'd like a list of million dollars props I work at on a reg base just PM me I'll be glad to list them.

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ya bud thats a stupid answer hes putting a throw line in the tree to do a pull test to see if the tree has any red flags its 2009 bud hes not scared he just charishes his life and i dont blame him i put a line in every tree and do a pull test and will tell any manager or inspector to mind their own bisness its my life on the line not theirs who wants to climb a damaged tree blindly just doesnt make sense to me so for you to say if hes scared he shouldnt be in this work is just nonsense if he was on my crew i would expect him to do a pull test and also to bring up his hand saw cuz when u think you wont need it you will and that just goes back to the poiunt that these days most the climbers are more advanced and up to date then their managers IMO.
cheers!

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Ok there SWIFT whatever you say. I aint your bud either putz. Only thing more advanced these days is the gear tard. the job is still done the same as it was 20 years ago. Keep up the good work on the line clearance crews cheif.

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Now I state exactly why the tree shouldn't be climbed, and I use literature and others knowledge to explain why. Now I tell him when I think the job will be done

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Now what the hell did I do with that number? One wonders if you talk so big to the man for real, cause old Ryan fired guys for less, or maybe he did when I was there?!!
 
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see ya in the funny papers BUD!

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Been in the funny buz for 22 years never the funny papers. Though I have read alot about so called papered pros and super safty guys. I notice alot of them in the funny papers.
 
Look up the number if you've got so much to say ed. I've changed a lot of things at the company due to my communication skills, something you obviously lack. On jobs where you would foolishly risk your life I simply explain the pros and cons to bringing in some mechanical advantage and explain my concerns. That's it. Nothing wrong with that. Chat it up fella.

Also, the sexual favors help, or as I call it, job security
 
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I aint your bud either putz.

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I like how cyber-bullies try to intimidate others with words, albeit with poorly put together sentences and misspelled words.

Holly, your role as Treebuzz Jack@ss is one you fill nicely. But at the end of the day, you end up being nothing but a Jack@ss. And nobody likes a Jack@ss, trust me.

At first, I thought your game was kind of interesting to watch, but now, it's all the same. You bore me, Holly. You bore me to tears.



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I happened to be present to see the tree in question. Doctor L and myself had concerns about the integrity of the tree. We used the normal approach and did think the tree climbable. The situation is not as extreme as some may think. But the point is that when we do the work, we need to be trusted to make the right decisions about how to protect life and limb (no pun intended). The boss man will always put in his two cents but we also know that he does trust us to do the best and safest job possible.
 
hey guys, how about we stick to the topic of the thread and back off the interpersonal bull$hit? the question of owner vs. climber safety protocols is interesting. the posturing is not.
thanks for keeping the info coming..
k.
 
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You bore me, Holly. You bore me to tears.

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AAWWWW does this mean the honeymoon is over? Now I only rank as high as your first wife?
 
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Now I only rank as high as your first wife?

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No, she ranks higher. Even though she burnt me badly, she is still easy on the eyes. Even after six miller lites, it's always a chore to behold your countenance.




Now back to the topic at hand.....


I would rather a job that I sold come in at half rate if the climber on site had to work the tree differently than I had anticipated. I would never question anyone's right to adhere to their highest sense of safety.



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On the note of owner vs. climber safety protocol, We talked today about the situation and about this thread. In fact there was a good bit of jabbing going on around the work site. The point is that the owner does trust us, he does have the right to ask questions and he does have the right to question our methods. When an answer is given that he can live with he moves on. The owner of the company is at the top of the sh@t heap. He has to deal with our mistakes such as property damage and personal injury. And I guarantee that he does not want someone hurt for a few extra bucks.
 
sorry, Kathy, you are so right. We are just trying to keep it light. All of us at our outfit get along really great and just like to have a few laughs. This is a great thread and I love all the interesting comments. Safety is first and foremost at our operation. Keep it up !
 
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There will always be a conflict between sales and production and production and safety. Keeping the triangle in balance takes skill.

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We talk allot about this balance and we really try to find that balance. It’s a shaky tight rope, but we choose to walk it. For the record my boss is on page with safety, and I feel our policies and methods reflect this, sometimes there may be a bit of friction between old school and new. He feels pressure to make each job as profitable as possible, and believe me so do I. The more money we make the more money there is to go around. I.E. raises, bonuses, new ropes, saddles, saws, and the big back saving stuff as well.

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1. I would react calmly and take the opportunity to explain my approach and the rationale for it. I was taught to use HOPE when starting a job: Hazards, Obstacles, Plan, Execute.

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calm reactions usually take me further than anger or annoyance. once we give in to negative emotions they will eat us alive.
 
Family Tree, I always like your posts!

Try the ignore button, I just started using it and it's awesome!

Makes this thread, for example, much more enjoyable to read.

Although, I have to say, the Buzz needs Mark's presence and leadership. He posts just a few times, and things already get better, but this place needs him more.
 
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