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oldoakman said:
Compared to their old school saddles the cougar is a cadillac. What dont they like about them other than weight?
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I’ve been climbing on a Cougar for years; I bought one when it first came out and still have it.

My complaints are the weight of it, and the webbing bridge. I would rather it be lighter, and I liked the rope bridge before it was recalled. I don’t understand why they couldn’t make an updated version with rope instead of webbing.

The leg pads tend to rotate on me too, and get to where they cut into parts that don’t appreciate it. However, all things considered, for the money it is a great saddle, in my opinion.
 
Reach said:
I’ve been climbing on a Cougar for years; I bought one when it first came out and still have it.

My complaints are the weight of it, and the webbing bridge. I would rather it be lighter, and I liked the rope bridge before it was recalled. I don’t understand why they couldn’t make an updated version with rope instead of webbing.

The leg pads tend to rotate on me too, and get to where they cut into parts that don’t appreciate it. However, all things considered, for the money it is a great saddle, in my opinion.
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They had issues with the bridge recall that really sunk the cougar in the market IMO. Many of us who had/havr them retrofitted them with the liger mod and weaver woke up and started producing the WLC760 which is a ligered cougar. Any leg loop saddle is going yo pinch places that don't appreciate being pinched. I have/had three of them, two of which have been stolen. I sincerely hope the denali gets a fair market share. I plan to check one out at Gap next time i'm home in PA.
 
oldoakman said:
They had issues with the bridge recall that really sunk the cougar in the market IMO. Many of us who had/havr them retrofitted them with the liger mod and weaver woke up and started producing the WLC760 which is a ligered cougar. Any leg loop saddle is going yo pinch places that don't appreciate being pinched. I have/had three of them, two of which have been stolen. I sincerely hope the denali gets a fair market share. I plan to check one out at Gap next time i'm home in PA.
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I like the look of the WLC760, it definitely has some much needed improvements. The Denali looks good too, I took a quick look at it the other day when I was in at Gap for my weekly visit. (The advantage of living five minutes away) When you’re in town next, let me know. Maybe I’ll stop down and say hello, or we can meet up for lunch. I like meeting new people, one can never have too many friends, especially in this business.
 
From first glance the denali looks like it will resist sagging due chainsaw/gear weight on the saddle. I am pretty close to just getting a suspender system but have resisted thus far. Has anyone worked in one yet. I am looking for a lightweight saddle, with an easily replaced rope bridge with the rigging plate style attachment, and that the waist clip does not loosen.
 
allen gaddy said:
From first glance the denali looks like it will resist sagging due chainsaw/gear weight on the saddle. I am pretty close to just getting a suspender system but have resisted thus far. Has anyone worked in one yet. I am looking for a lightweight saddle, with an easily replaced rope bridge with the rigging plate style attachment, and that the waist clip does not loosen.
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TreeMo Super light. Your welcome!
 
Why are we talking about using weaver products for life support gear? I won't even buy their throw bags. It's cheap gear. Even if this harness is the shizzle, I'd wait a decade or two to see their non-life support gear quality improve before I would consider getting life support-rated gear from them.
 
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Why are we talking about using weaver products for life support gear? I won't even buy their throw bags. It's cheap gear. Even if this harness is the shizzle, I'd wait a decade or two to see their non-life support gear quality improve before I would consider getting life support-rated gear from them.
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Man, I don't get it.
They have more 20 year+ old saddles floating around and still carrying folks than anyone. I've never looked for top end stuff from them, but I've never questioned the safety of the gear.
 
SomethingWitty said:
Man, I don't get it.
They have more 20 year+ old saddles floating around and still carrying folks than anyone. I've never looked for top end stuff from them, but I've never questioned the safety of the gear.
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I don't want to put my life on the line with gear that is imbued with that much dissonance. It's like having a ground guy tell me how to rig a tree. I've also been trying to hold life support gear to a very high standard. If a supplier diseminates outdated educational materials, or uses cheap materials to construct gear, I just don't want them supplying me with life support gear. I don't hear horror stories of guys falling out of weaver saddles, or of them breaking, so I get where you are coming from.
 
Why in the hell are we still using lead shot in our throw bags. Pretty much across the board, and very few if any companies are standing up for this. Weaver sucks, they are out dated, but this saddle is a step up in their game. Regardless, let’s keep pressuring them to excel.
 
colb said:
I don't want to put my life on the line with gear that is imbued with that much dissonance. It's like having a ground guy tell me how to rig a tree. I've also been trying to hold life support gear to a very high standard. If a supplier diseminates outdated educational materials, or uses cheap materials to construct gear, I just don't want them supplying me with life support gear. I don't hear horror stories of guys falling out of weaver saddles, or of them breaking, so I get where you are coming from.
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I mean, besides that last time that they tried to be cutting edge and had the fancy technora bridges...
That was a big deal, but not like the Kong ring fiasco.
 
SomethingWitty said:
I mean, besides that last time that they tried to be cutting edge and had the fancy technora bridges...
That was a big deal, but not like the Kong ring fiasco.
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I did not follow the technora bridge fiasco too closely since I have an Onyx, but noted that technora was a bad bridge material. That was Weaver? And, to stick it to you since you served it up on a plate, you've never questioned the safety of their gear, yet they put a low bend modulus material at a bendy point? What gives there? Explicame lo que pasa.

I had to think through my crane ring and ring. It has an outer technora sheath to protect against getting cut by a cable in. The bend when it is installed puts a rope bridge to shame. But, the outer sheath is not designed to be load bearing - just cut protective and inspectable. Ultimately, I expect to retire it when the outer sheath is worn, which ought to be the first material to wear out.
 
That sounds about right. In the grand scheme of things, that anchor sling is cheap compared to potentially running it while compromised.


I do know that guys run technora (and almost entirely technora) hitch cords, and it weirds me out. I like my technora on the outside, where it can protect my load bearing cores.
As I recall, rope bridges didn't have all the bugs worked out yet. Hell, besides globe and platinum, I'm not convinced that they are really where they need to be. It was unfortunate that they caught so much hell over those bridges, because as soon as they realized the mistake there were recalls and an indestructible nylon webbing bridge in place. It could have happened to anybody. How long did teufelberger let us buy globe by the foot and tie stoppers with short tails and no stiffening stitching?

My buddy/mentor Josh broke his technora cougar bridge.
He noticed it was lumpy and climbed on it that day anyway. Luckily, he's still around. He'd tell you that he should have known better rather than gripe about his favorite saddle ever.
 
When I bought carbon fiber kiwi klimbers I had trouble fitting my viberg lineman boots on the footplate, which was a little narrow for the boot. I messaged Dale and he astutely asked why I would pay all that money for a light gaff, then wear heavy boots. Told me to buy new boots. After grumbling for a day or three, I conceded that he was right.

Why does this saddle tout weight-saving light metal hardware while using water buffalo leather? If they want to save weight, better to leave the leather on the ground.

I would not buy a saddle with design disonance. It indicates to me that other things may be disonant, and those things may or may not affect life support functions.

@SomethingWitty I just read through the masterblaster thread from 2010 where it notes 3 bridge iterations for the cougar saddle, among the problems you referred to.

When I think about these points together, in addition to the point I noted above about the generalized awkward design of their non-life supported rated gear, I'll wait another decade before considering Weaver as a potential supplier of my life support rated gear.
 
Not hard to keep the rope on your bridge new. Especially if its doubled...I think that was the thinking of a lot of harness manufacturers bc climbers tend to have a lot of rope.
I'm not big of Weaver myself but I wouldn't count them out either. I'd like to at least we're it and give it a CPL climbs to see what they made here.
 
If you can look past the bridge material debacle on the Cougar, Weaver has built saddles that are known to last for decades and I'm sure the Denali is no different.

With that being said this new Denali appears to have some funky backpad/waistbelt design issues. The bottom portion of the backpad looks very similar to TreeMo, but unfortunately they just had to add that gawd awful upper portion. With that upper section of the backpad there is just no way you would ever be able to get this saddle to sit down below the top of the hip bones, and find that sweet spot of the pelvic girdle. There is also no way you would be able to keep that waist belt/buckle from digging into your belly region. Also take note of where the buckles on the upper portion on the back-pad are located. Directly above the hip bones. Why? I for one Fucking Hate saddles that ride above the hips and waist belts that dig into my belly, so I'm wondering who thought any of this was a good idea?

No offense to Cody, but watch the Bartlett vid and you will see that the upper portion of the backpad is halfway up his back, the waist belt is well above his belly button, and his massive billy-goat sized package is savagely having the life squeezed out of it. Fuck All That!

Go stand on a spar for a few hours with a big saw hanging off you, or do a big prune with lots of hang time. No doubt that upper back-pad with those lovely buckles rubbing on your hip bones, that waist belt/buckle digging into your diaphragm for hours, and your balls being put in a rock crusher would make anyone think about an abrupt career change!
 
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