VT for Lanyard/swivel held by double fisherman's

Re: VT for Lanyard/swivel held by double fisherman

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Dan;

How about using a #2 brass swivel? It is similar to a dog leash snap, like item 24, p. 42 of the 2004 Sherrill catalogue, but the eye is bigger. Feed the rope through the eye and clip the snap end to the D ring. This would eliminate having to incorporate the swivel into the double fishermans knots.

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This is exactly how I have mine setup, except that I use a large swiveling dog leash snap. I don't even notice that the snap is there, the action is very smooth, and I can pull the tail in any direction to tend slack.
 
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Rescueman

I have no idea what digging holes has to do with this thread.

How many new knots have been introduced in rescue, rock climbing and caving combined in the last 5 years?

Anyone else want to start listing the new knots used in arboriculture? not to mention several mechanical devices that act a friction hitches, lots of mods to existing gear, etc...

Everyone else uses what works, arborists are striving to find what works better.

Dave
 
Re: VT for Lanyard/swivel held by double fisherman

Sometimes using "proper" names can lead to more confusion.

There is a musician from my hometown that changed his name to a glyph and now back to his name. Everyone has a bit of fun using the line, "The [fill in the blank] formerly known as [fill in the blank]" We could do the same thing with a double fisherman's in it's various manifestations. In context, I've never seen any misunderstanding about it's use as a termination. Lately when I've been teaching it's use I add the "proper" name as a footnote. But it isn't worth the energy to me to get bogged down in nomenclature on this name.

Let's look at new pieces of gear that've been developed as ascenders/descenders over the past few years. How many new ones are there that are maybe only just a variation of a theme. The Cinch is an improbed Gri Gri. ASAP is an improved Rocker/Shunt. Any new hitches developed in other rope disciplines? I haven't crossed paths with any but that doesn't mean that there aren't any.

I'd like to know about any innovations that could possibly crossover to arbo work. I'm just as much a scavenger as anyone in treework.

Look at how many new climbing hitches and sub-variations there are. Hubert is on his third generation of the Lockjack. Add in the Rope Guide and Positioner variations. The Unicender has solved the issue of a tool that works as an ascender and descender, and use on DdRT and SRT together. I sent a note to Gary Storrick about the Uni and he wrote back letting me know that he REALLY wants to get one to test and put into his collection. He was very impressed with the solution to a universal problem.

Saying that arbos aren't progressive, and possibly the MOST progressive, rope users is going to lead to some pretty heated debates. No need to get combative.
 
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I spend alot of time thinking about climbing/rigging systems. In one sense I kind of like the idea of 'inventing' something new, then I reel myself back to reality and remember a belief of mine. There are very few NEW ideas, but there are lots of 'variations of a theme'.
 
Re: VT for Lanyard/swivel held by double fisherman\'s

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You've already tied directly to the dee,
Why the swivel? why not tail the lanyard thru the inside of the dring and you wouldnt need the swivel at all for tending.

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What he said /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I have had that set up daily for a year now. It rawks!! No need for a snap - will post a pic tommorrow.

The snap it a waste of time /forum/images/graemlins/hahaha.gif
 
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I've found that when you run the lanyard directly through the d-ring, without using and additional component to slack-tend, that as you pull up slack in the lanyard the hitch, V.T., will pull through the d-ring and invert. And I'm climbing on a saddle with smaller d-ring than are shown in most of the pictures on this thread. I use a pulley to mind my hitch, but I'm thinking that it might be a good idea to tie the double fishermen's directly to the d-ring just to scale down the whole system, but that being said, I would have to use some other type of slack tender as well.
Russell.
 
Re: VT for Lanyard/swivel held by double fisherman

Russell,

With my small d's I don't have a problem with the distel inverting. Most of the time I pull out to the side. I think that the fixed d's on the Butterfly II helps to keep the hitch a bit more fair.

Dave Ryan took this picture of a change that I made to my Blair Ultralight. When I looked at the picture today I realized that the tails on my double fisherman's are way too short. If I remember I whipped that up a couple of different configurations for the pictures.
 

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Re: VT for Lanyard/swivel held by double fisherman

and there you go Dan,

Toms picture shows another way of attaching a slack tender...

replace the D with a large screw link, or work one in behind the d ring if possible.


Tom-what are those other D's? gear loops or actual load bearing?
 
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The square Maillon Rapide came from Seven Corners Ace Hardware over in St. Paul. They have a great selection of different mr's and other cool stuff.

Those othere dees are Army surplus from Harris Machinery in SE Minneapolis. I used them for gear rings. They're made of aluminum. I like vertical accessory rings. When I rack gear my hand doesn't have to twist. Also, I can put the d right where I want it on my saddle. Most saddles have fabric rings that are way too far "around the corner" to get to the gear. Another example of how I can't leave well enough alone :) Mom has been saying that for years :)
 
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Is this the #2 brass swivel you are talking about Mahk? I don't have Sherrills catalog handy but this is one I found at their web site.

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Dan;

Sorry for not responding sooner. My DSL crashed and I had to downgrade to dialup.

I think the important thing is to get a swivel snap that has an eye that is large enough to let the rope run through it freely. Someone mentioned that the link is fixed, but it is not if you get a snap that has a swivel eye on it. It rotates in any direction like a universal joint.

I have found different selections of snaps in different Home Depots, so you may have to look around and perhaps check out other hardware stores as well.

Mahk
 
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Wow, they should make a D on saddle that on inner side(?) had small ring to reeve lanyard through for self tending, space in upper corner between D inside and ring to anchor chord so it don't wander! Throw chord and line with snap in there for make your own, chcarge for lanyard and belt.
 
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Dan,

With this new revised version, it semms like it would be much more secure, but it fixes the snap shackle to one angle. Have you tried to pull slack through it? Does it still feed smoothly?

Dave
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I got a brass swivel like has been suggested but I have not used it yet. The revised version has been working very well and in practice it puts very little pull on the double fishermans knots.

In use anytime the lanyard is weighted the double fishermans knots are tightened by the climbers body weight. When taking up slack in the lanyard only a few pounds of pull or less is applied in the direction that tends to pull the double fishermans knot apart. The result is that the double fishermans knots have cinched very tight and do not move.

Dave suggested to give it a try and I have. His concern about the snap shackle being fixed at one angle doesn't happen because the swivel continues to swivel as designed.

I will continue to keep a close eye on my set up but I'm using it as is for now.

Dan
 
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