Video from the tree one-handed cutting--> my leg!

Re: Video from the tree one-handed cutting--> my leg!

It doesn't get much more real than that bro!

Thanks for posting and glad you're all OK now. You're right about saving lives. ANd the more detail we get about this kind of mistake the more there is to learn.

SO in the interest of safety would you share some more details about the accident..

I wonder whether complacency had anything to do with it..

were you hurrying due to an underbid job or other time constraint..

was there anything else on your mind that day..

Dis you tend to one hand a lot, as a regualr practice, or did you try to avoid it whenever practical??

was it just a brain fart... was the saw cuttign well.. did the momentum of the saw through the cut carry it into your leg, or was there a funny kick whent he piece let go etc.

Could you ahve snap cut it or used some type of hinge that would have let you set the saw before pushing the piece etc..
What else can you share that might help someone..

IMO preaching abstenance for one handing is about as likely to suceed as preaching abstenance in sex ed.. Thanks for your generosity and good humor..
 
Re: Video from the tree one-handed cutting--> my leg!

Danielson,

first, thanks so much for posting, i admire your bravery and your attitude on this error.

As a canadian, i'm struck at how quickly you related the accident to the amount of money it will take to stitch you up. Here in the beautiful land of universal health care, money is the last thing we think about in the event of an injury.

I've got to say though that wearing headphones in a tree is a bad idea all around. i understand the distraction but if you can't hear what going on then you could easily get surprised by something. For example, if the trunk you were climbing on were to "crack" in the wind, you wouldn't hear it and then descend from the tree, saving your life. I know that's an unlikely occurrence but still, wearing headphones is sticking your head in the sand. I'm sure all of us feel uncomfortable that high in a tree on a windy day but we must use our brains to overpower our fears.

Also, what if one of your groundies gets sucked through the chipper? You wouldn't hear the machine bog down on soft tissues so you wouldn't stop your work to help out. Bad example i know but you get the point.

p.s. i still one hand a saw a few times here and there, but when i do, my mind is sharply focused on that cut. No distractions.

vince
 
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As said before, don't have to worry about the health care bill in Canada, our taxes reflect this strongly . Even with the chainsaw pants, I think I might invest in a chain mail thong after seeing this. Never cut myself with a running chainsaw, brushed my pants in a tree. Had to come down with a 26 stuck to my leg. However, sharpening without gloves will get you a few stitches,,
 
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Thank you Daniel, regardless of what they may say I have learned a lot from you and props to you for still being here making your videos on the way do tree work.

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I wonder if u are confusing Daielson with Daniel. Don't do that, very different people.
 
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Danielson,
As a canadian, i'm struck at how quickly you related the accident to the amount of money it will take to stitch you up. Here in the beautiful land of universal health care, money is the last thing we think about in the event of an injury.
tissues so you wouldn't stop your work to help out. Bad example i know but you get the point.

p.s. i still one hand a saw a few times here and there, but when i do, my mind is sharply focused on that cut. No distractions.

vince

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I think about this too Vince. I can't believe the richest counry in the world cannot take acare of all its citizens equally. Our system is FAR from perfect, but there is a huge amount on misinformation spread in US press, especially from teh republican side.

And one-handing thoughtfully in certain situations is not inappropriate for people very skilled with the tool. I'm not there yet but many are. (and I don't want to derail this into yet another on one-handing).
 
Re: Video from the tree one-handed cutting--> my leg!

your lucky that was just flesh and not nerves or arteries. i once was pruning a coconut palm with my handsaw and had to kind hold up the frond with on hand and cut with the other. as i was cutting the frond, i went to make a final pull stroke with the saw and i lost my grip on the frond. next thing i knew there was a nasty gash in my arm from my handsaw. it bled for ever and i had to go to the ER. i thought in my head "is this really a job i want to continue doing"? i dunno about you guys but i sure get those thoughts after an injury in the tree. despite those thoughts, something in me tells me to keep going and move on.
 
Thank you for having the courage to post this unfortunate event. I'm glad you're OK and healing. Cute daughter BTW.
You've obviously opened some eyes regarding '1 handing' a top handled chain saw.
Heal complete!!
 
Re: Video from the tree one-handed cutting--> my leg!

Finally got to watch it just now. I cut myself a lot like that on the inside of my left knee, ripped up a bunch of tissue but missed the connective stuff.

The groundie had to talk me into coming down, I wanted to finish because I only had a few more pieces to take. My boot filled up with blood and I decided to come down. But clearly i wasn't behaving rationally.

Since everything came out OK I think staying up and composing yourself enough to shoot that video shows a remarkable presence of mind under stress. I'm just glad you're healed up OK. Are you thinking of getting out of the tree business or just moving into less climbing and saw work?

Thanks again for the post. You really can never stop learning, eh?
 
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ANd the more detail we get about this kind of mistake the more there is to learn.

SO in the interest of safety would you share some more details about the accident..

I wonder whether complacency had anything to do with it..

were you hurrying due to an underbid job or other time constraint..

was there anything else on your mind that day..

Dis you tend to one hand a lot, as a regualr practice, or did you try to avoid it whenever practical??

was it just a brain fart... was the saw cuttign well.. did the momentum of the saw through the cut carry it into your leg, or was there a funny kick whent he piece let go etc.

Could you ahve snap cut it or used some type of hinge that would have let you set the saw before pushing the piece etc..
What else can you share that might help someone..

IMO preaching abstenance for one handing is about as likely to suceed as preaching abstenance in sex ed.. Thanks for your generosity and good humor..

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Hey Daniel,

Thanks for the feedback and suggestion.

I just shot this video to explain the situation: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXlpm44ILpI
 
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It's probably shock that allowed you to have the composure you did. I fell off a roof back in my twenties and was amazed at how I didn't feel a thing along with being completely composed despite multiple breaks and dislocations.

Heal well!
 
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Nice job on that explanation video.. you just took your mind of the potential danger for a moment... and BAM... it happens that fast.. Tree work is a flow experience.. it does not provide the luxury of allowing one to let his guard down for a moment.. The good news is ... YOU Are HEALED of any tendency towards compacency for the next 5-10 years..
 
Danielson,

I've always enjoyed your videos.

always in a good mood and enjoy your tone and the way you talk to the camera.

You look like a great fun Dad too.

Glad you are okay and it will be sad if you stop making tree videos.

But, you make the choice being there for your kids is most important.

take care,

X
 
I just rolled onto the thread. Holy cow! Looks painful.

As others mentioned. You have courage and humility sharing that. I'm glad you shared Mark.

As I have a pretty good habit of keeping 2 hands on the saw, this thread really really has me reconsidering chainsaw pants while climbing. (As in, I don't have any for me or my employees and now I want some).
 
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Danielson,

always in a good mood and enjoy your tone and the way you talk to the camera.

You look like a great fun Dad too.



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Only in the videos
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Thanks for the encouragement!
 
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It's probably shock that allowed you to have the composure you did. I fell off a roof back in my twenties and was amazed at how I didn't feel a thing along with being completely composed despite multiple breaks and dislocations.

Heal well!

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Ya know the weird thing? It never really hurt. Even when I got to the hospital. It just felt "weird". Like something wasn't right. It was not like breaking a bone or something like that.

I think it is because I cut the nerve. Right after the stitches were put in, i could touch the upper side of the cut and my knee felt like it was were i was touching.

Now, I just dont have any feeling on the skin for 8 inches below the cut. I guess it was the nerve.
 
"This is Danielson...learning!"

Wow! It takes some courage to stand up on the stage like you've done. Thanks for taking the time to make the vids.

I dunno if it was such a good idea to take the time to make #1 though. On the other hand I learned a good thought pattern for emergencies from a first aid instructor. He said:

Don't just do something...stand there.

Not for long...collect your thoughts and make a plan instead of rushing off like the Tasmanian Devil.


This is Thomas-son...learning
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You've obviously opened some eyes regarding '1 handing' a top handled chain saw.


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I watched the video only once a few days ago, who knows, mabye a week ago now, unless i remember it wrong, how did ONE HANDING cause this accident?

I thought he said he got his saw stuck in the peice that was falling and he had the chain still spinning.

maybe i remember wrong.

Sounds like, if he made a more proper cut, and slowed the chain down as he neared the end of the cut, this would not have happened, one handing or two handing.

Okay, lets say it was a wrong cut like what was done, overlap and the saw stayed in the falling peice and he stayed on the throttle well into the end. How would two hands have helped him verses one hand?

Is he that strong with two hands that he could have prevented impact with his leg? Are two hands strong enought to stop that falling limb top, or rip the chain off of the saw? I don't think so. maybe two hands would have pulled the peice closer to himself and he would have cut himself in the crotch instead.

Mark, if one handing CREATED or CAUSED this accident, can you explain how?
 
If I live in the country and my fellow country folks say, "Never go into the city, you will get killed if you go to the city. Cities are BAD, cities kill people."

Then, if I go to the city and I make a mistake by stepping right in front of a moving bus and it kills me.....

Did the city do it? Where the country folk right?

If I had stepped in front of a bus in the country, would not I also be dead?
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alright, that was a bad or hard to follow anology. What I was trying to say is; if a person was dropping a top with two hands and kept on the throttle/ plus got the saw stuck in the falling top, wouldn't they have just as much of a chance cutting themself wether they had one hand or two hands on the saw? I don't think you can say one hand saw use caused this one.

IF a person is using one hand and can't control the saw from bouncing around as it cuts; then the saw bounces out of the kerf and strikes the opperator. THEN that is a good example how one-handing caused an injury.
 
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Well, since then numerous things have forced my tenacious ego to simmer down a bit and I have been really lucky/blessed to start to grasp what community means.

All that is said to say that I appreciate y'all too. The fact is that right when I cut my leg, I started to panic. Then I closed my eyes and thought back to things I had read here and remembered that the most likely time to have an accident is right after one happened. So I took a few breaths, checked for bleeding and decided to take a video to burn some time and calm down.

Now if you stop and think about how powerful sharing these lessons really is for a second, you can see that it is highly likely, if not a mathematical certainty, that the wisdom and safety lessons shared here have likely saved csomeone's life, but probably multiple lives.

THAT is really a powerful thought.


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Just stumbled upon this thread... and was unprepared for the videos.
I don't know you, but I'm literally in tears watching what you went through and then reading what you had to say here. The idea of you thinking back to what you've read and what's been shared on this forum as a means to stay grounded and keep from freaking out.... unbelievable.

Thanks for posting, thanks for the humble straight forward manner with which you offer the info & thanks for being willing to teach through your own hard won lesson.
Heal up well!
 
DanielSon, every time I started my saw this week I literally thought of you for a moment and thought to myself to slow down and be aware. This videos memory will most likely stay with me for the rest of my life. And this is A GOOD THING. You really sent it home for me bro!
 
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