velocity lockstitch

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I have recently been given two velocity ropes, Straight out of the bag. The first from TCI had a splice that was too tight to fit a biner into so the splice was useless anyway, it was not lock stitched or labeled. The second velocity I got at the CTCC and it was a fine splice but it also was not stitched or labeled. Has anyone else bought ropes with a splice that was not lockstitched or labeled. I do not know the origens of either of these splices but assume they were spliced at samson? I had to open the bag on both occasions. Once was whatever, but twice was kind of strange. If I had bought these ropes I would be upset, but I really have nothing to complain about. Am I wrong about proper splicing etiquette? Maybe they dont need to be lockstitched or labeled. Whatever the case, I have a little project tonight.
Kevin
 
Yeah, just stitch it. I've heard some rumors that samson might be saying it's not necessary to lock stitch it. The only splices I've heard of failing would most likely not've happened had they been stitched.

It might take you 20 minutes to do, but the piece of mind will be worth it.

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nick
 
I would say stitch it definately. I might question the splices themselves depending on who spliced them. I am assuming if it was at the TCIA then it would've been someone who is reputable on splicing. Also if you inspected it and measured the bury and if it met the standards I would stitch it for peace of mind just to be on the safe side. I know the stitching won't exactly hold all your weight but it's more of a safety net or seat belt.
 
i mean is it normal for them to send out splices that are not lockstitched or labeled? what if I didnt know how to lockstitch. I just assumed it was part of the proccess. is samson cutting corners on all their splices? Or maybe they have just concluded that it is a waste of time.Maybe I should call samson itself. The rope is lockstitiched. THe useless splice I will cut off and try again.
 
To give them the benefit of doubt, when I lockstitch I do so as to make it as invisible as possible. To me visible = abraidable. I'd like to see a pic of a factory/point of sale eye that was made too small for a biner, if you have the time.
 
I have to finish the bury on 1/2" double braid splices with a come-a-long. The throat is almost rock solid and I couldn't pass a sailmaker's needle through it even if I wanted to. No way is that splice going to pull out. On larger (5/8, 3/4) slings I always lockstitch; and of course hollow braid.
 
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I've heard some rumors that samson might be saying it's not necessary to lock stitch it.

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nick

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This is true, that is what they are saying. I think that if it comes from the factory(you have to open the bag) there is not a problem. I personally stich everything that i splice, but i did win a Velocity that was factory spliced. I did not stich it... and i did climb on it over a year. when i retirerd it i broke it to see what it would still hold..... Almost 6000# and it broke where all(almost) splices break... the transition. So me personally, i would inspect it for uniformity and use.

Rob
 
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I have to finish the bury on 1/2" double braid splices with a come-a-long. The throat is almost rock solid and I couldn't pass a sailmaker's needle through it even if I wanted to.

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Not trying to be rude here, but if you need a come along, I think you might be doing something wrong. But that's another thread!

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nick
 
I don't think you're being rude... I use the come-along to apply (and keep) tension on the core for the final bury. I can finish 1/2" 16 strand by hand but not 1/2" dblbraid.
 
Do you massage the rope? I will keep hand-tension on the core while it's getting "sucked in." Then when it starts to resist, I stop and flex the rope at the throat to soften it up a bit.

Either way works, I guess.

I spoke to Linda from customer service at Samson today. She said she spoke to one of the riggers and as far as he knew, they DON'T put a traditional whip-lock on the Velocity, but they do put in a few stitches. I asked about how to check if this has actually been done and she was not able to answer that question, but she did direct me with someone who would better be able to answer it.

I'll let y'all know when I hear back.

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nick

ps- if this IS what they do, good for them. That's what I do. Any of you using my splices can look at them and see that it doesn't LOOK like it's been lock-stitched...but if you email me, or speak up here, I can provide some proof that it HAS been done.
 
I have never seen one lock-stiched. I climb on Velocity with a splice, and it has not been stiched. I check it twice a day. Haven't had any reason to worry, yet. Actually, I have a splice on both ends of my Velocity. I love it.
 
It may have been stitched and you just can see it.

If someone can send me a factory spliced, supposedly unstitched Velocity splice, I'll take it apart and find out if it HAS been stitched.

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nick
 
Well, there are a bunch of terms used to describe similar things. For some people, whipping=lock stitching. For some, whipping only goes AROUND the rope and not penetrating it.

Whip-lock can be a whipping followed by the perpendicular frapping turns that actually penetrate the rope.

When I say lock-stitching, I typically mean that there is no whipping. Only tiny stitches, often done at random, that serve the same purpose of holding the cover and core together at low loads.

This is a point of much confusion when I am talking to people about how they secure their splices.

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nick
 
ok thanks....a couple years ago i posted that my whipping had come undone on my fly and u recommended i get it re-done. i took it to the local chandlers who whipped it up amd then ran the said "lock stitches" all the way down the buried core
 
Can anyone provide a set of instructions for properly "whip-locking"?

I'm eye-splicing 16-std and want to be sure to keep everything in place.

Thx,
Tom
 
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