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Friction Hitch
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I would like to introduce a friction hitch that I have been climbing with since the turn of the century (sounds like a long time ago I know).

Wrap four coils downward, with the final wrapping the anchor line to the harness. The tail exits back under the bottom and over the 3rd coil on the opposite side from where it secures the anchor line.

The bridge is locked in place downward to the tie in point on the saddle, secured by the final coil which wraps it before terminating out into the tail.
The top of the bridge is held in place by the four coils and the tail locked through the coils.

This has been a very safe knot to climb on and I have used it for over a thousand climbs since 2000.

Edited by TrEECoWboY (04/18/07 09:58 AM)
 
The Adjustable Hitch as pictured is meant to be an adjustable eye. So; the whole thing is loaded; the Adjustable Hitch pulling into the eye. What we are saying is conceptualizing that leg of the eye as a downward pull to set, cut the eye and keep pulling on the friction hitch side; and you have a Shannon on SRT; only with Bitter End tucked up under 1 instead of 2 of the bottom rings/ turns; with same direction of pull on the friction hitch part of the Adjustable.

Viewed like this, sitting in DdRT, we would serve the tail high and give a Coil downward, last Turn going around the Standing Part and host/lifeline as 1 unit, and then after that; tucking/ reeving up through that single last Turn. Making that tuck under 2; would make a Shannon; if i'm understanding correctly.

Almost the same 2/1 exists in the Adjustable's eye; as in the DdRT application; allowing the slide under load smoother mechanics. The differentiating points would be the 2/1 with static helper leg is in eye of Adjustable and to the opposite side of hitch in DdRT and the tensioned line under the friction hitch in Adjustable eye; not DdRT.

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This is what i'm looking at: Shannon Hitch Animation; i figured out bug in my lil'animation engine; still not perfect; especially fig.8 (that i been steering away from fighting with in previous animations).

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We now return you to normal programming;
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Edited by TheTreeSpyder (04/30/07 02:53 PM)
 
That would be just another version of the Prohaska Knot or it could be a Icicle knot dude sorry, but it is far from a new knot. Though the one you tried there Cowboy looks just like the knut knot, knute knot, or the Knut Foppe's knot. OO man forgot about the other name Todd Kramer's TK knot lmao all the same knot yet all those names.
 
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That would be just another version of the Prohaska Knot or it could
be an Icicle knot ...
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yeah, that's the hitch I posted about a couple years ago, been using it since 99.

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As I posted to the Friction Hitches thread, this knot is definitely NOT
TreeCowboy's hitch, and although it can be seen as a both-ends-loaded
variation on the ProhGrip (aka "Blake's"), it nevertheless is distinct
from that by loading both ends. Frankly, it looks as though it makes
a contorted mess of the climbing rope. I think you'll find better
options.

Sorry, this proctor's gonna hafta grade y'all flunkies on this knot question!

[l-00-king for a big smiley and a fast train outta here! :-]

*kN*

ps: Where's Mahk when ya need 'im?
 
Okay, I'm showing signs of a certain proctor:

Points to the answer of Martin=>Michoaca'n
(with one extra wrap to what Mahk presents),
and minus to others--incl. me for not looking up the M.
and confirming that. That the OP didn't tuck through
a wrap is an aspect of tying technique: the result is
largely the same, with possible diffence on what gets
set--actual geometry of the lower end, i.p.--: the one
end wraps around the other vs. other tucked through it.

*kN*
 
Re: how to spell it...

For everyone's edification, and not to be condesceding, the name of the place and the knot is Michoacan.

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The photo is of a common juice franchise in Mexico. They make a mean agua fresca.

-Tom
 
Lampea said:
The "Martin" and the "michuacan" I believe you will find are the same knot. Martin is the name of the guy who made it and he then chose to name it the "michuacan" after a state in Mexico. FV I do believe that you are tying a "Martin" or "michuacan" call it what u will.
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Except that I started tying it in 1999, and competed with it, had it photographed by judges, and documented, prior to 2004.

I call it the "Cowboy Up", and I don't use it on a split tail system, but single line.

I have shared it with numerous climbers who I have worked with in the past, including Tom Dunlap several years back at climbing competitions in Atlanta, where it was also documented and approved to compete with. I was never in a hurry to put a name on it, or advise people to use it, because I had not tested it long enough. Now, after 15 years of using it, I simply call it the "Cowboy Up". It is the same knot you are describing with the split tail application. This conversation happened almost 10 years ago on a related forum, in great detail, prior to the introduction of the "Martin", which came up shortly afterward. It is all right here on the "Buzz" archives. Originally I called mine the "Shannon", and have chosen the more relaxed "Cowboy Up" instead.
 
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