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I just spoke with my brother in law who works for Pittman. He said the trees were scheduled to come down last Monday, but a Senator stepped in and is having outside consultants reevaluate the trees.
Typical US Risk Report
- Thread starter guymayor
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So if removal is not the course of action, then what is? 50% crown reduction and propping and guying? That has beautiful street tree written all over it, no?
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- Lexington, KY
Back to the report:
I would not feel comfortable submitting an informal letter style report to a municipality for a tree risk assessment or any other topic.
The format of the report is not what is taught at the ASCA Consulting Academy and after seeing who authored it I was a bit surprised.
No arguments with the information or the conclusion, just in the presentation. I would like to see supporting material and references for stated facts.
I would not feel comfortable submitting an informal letter style report to a municipality for a tree risk assessment or any other topic.
The format of the report is not what is taught at the ASCA Consulting Academy and after seeing who authored it I was a bit surprised.
No arguments with the information or the conclusion, just in the presentation. I would like to see supporting material and references for stated facts.
guymayor
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Supporting material is good.
Jon i agree your risk tolerance is very low with decay fungus
Dan if crown size is an aggravating factor, how about reducing 1/4? 1/3?
Dunno bout a senator but a local nonprofit got a stay of execution and is vetting other opinions.
Jon i agree your risk tolerance is very low with decay fungus
Dan if crown size is an aggravating factor, how about reducing 1/4? 1/3?
Dunno bout a senator but a local nonprofit got a stay of execution and is vetting other opinions.
Daniel
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I AM all for other options... I just wouldn't want to be in charge... lots of trees along Va highways... These trees are quite special... 1/4-1/3 seems like a lot for white oaks of this size.. that kind of pruning would likely kill them in a decade or less... especially if they are in early stages of decline.
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Back to the report:
I would not feel comfortable submitting an informal letter style report to a municipality for a tree risk assessment or any other topic.
The format of the report is not what is taught at the ASCA Consulting Academy and after seeing who authored it I was a bit surprised.
No arguments with the information or the conclusion, just in the presentation. I would like to see supporting material and references for stated facts.
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Huh? I worked as an arborist for a large municipality and never saw a single report in the "ASCA" format, thankfully so.
Letter format with the pertinent info that gives the reader the info he/she needs without all the stuffings is IMO much more valuable especially when dealing with tree inventories in the 100thousands.
jp
Back to the report:
I would not feel comfortable submitting an informal letter style report to a municipality for a tree risk assessment or any other topic.
The format of the report is not what is taught at the ASCA Consulting Academy and after seeing who authored it I was a bit surprised.
No arguments with the information or the conclusion, just in the presentation. I would like to see supporting material and references for stated facts.
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Huh? I worked as an arborist for a large municipality and never saw a single report in the "ASCA" format, thankfully so.
Letter format with the pertinent info that gives the reader the info he/she needs without all the stuffings is IMO much more valuable especially when dealing with tree inventories in the 100thousands.
jp
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- Asheville, NC
I agree that the report could have more details, but what if all the VDOT wanted was a simple letter report? Maybe there wasn't the neccesary budget for an extensive formal report. I am not a certified consulting arb, but my understanding is that you create a report based on what the client has asked you to do. If they did not ask for a detailed formal report, that would have no doubtedly cost more money, then what is wrong with the letter approach if it has satisfied the requirements of VDOT?
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- Thunder Bay, Ontario
Since we don't know what was asked of the arborist to include in the report, it's difficult to critique its content as adequate or not. It is a short report that gives a very good picture of the health and stability of the trees. Obviously if those trees are to be kept there would be some extensive remedial work to do to improve vigour and compartmentalization and to decrease instability.
In my neck of the woods, a report like this would be considered adequate and would likely not be contested.
If there is some further action to save these trees, its clear that the scope of the report was not enough and it should have investigated the trees much more closely.
Lots of good questions have come up in this thread to which there are yet no answers. We're not engineers......yet.
v
In my neck of the woods, a report like this would be considered adequate and would likely not be contested.
If there is some further action to save these trees, its clear that the scope of the report was not enough and it should have investigated the trees much more closely.
Lots of good questions have come up in this thread to which there are yet no answers. We're not engineers......yet.
v
What I take from this thread, other threads on various websites, and TRA reports I have read from a great number of individuals is:
1) TRA reports are describe reasons to remove a tree(s)
2) many "arborists" use TRA to find more removal work
3) any defect is cause for removal
4) TRA reports generally do not allow the reader to picture the tree
5) Description rather than measurement is normal
6) We do not have standards to compare defects with
7) We do not know how to adequately relate shell wall thickness to strength loss/retention
8) Scare tatics are normal
9) Tree workers, whether called arborists or not, are not interested in improving/learning about TRA
I do hope that I will not see these comments become part an article without attribution.
1) TRA reports are describe reasons to remove a tree(s)
2) many "arborists" use TRA to find more removal work
3) any defect is cause for removal
4) TRA reports generally do not allow the reader to picture the tree
5) Description rather than measurement is normal
6) We do not have standards to compare defects with
7) We do not know how to adequately relate shell wall thickness to strength loss/retention
8) Scare tatics are normal
9) Tree workers, whether called arborists or not, are not interested in improving/learning about TRA
I do hope that I will not see these comments become part an article without attribution.
guymayor
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I do hope that I will not see these comments become part an article without attribution.
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Are 1-9 your unique work product, or observations anyone could make and has made?
If any attribution was fitting, how does one attribute an anonymous comment?
If you see great personal value in 1-9, maybe you'r eon the way to writing your own #$^%R&T&*&%#^$ article! Fire away, dude.
I do hope that I will not see these comments become part an article without attribution.
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Are 1-9 your unique work product, or observations anyone could make and has made?
If any attribution was fitting, how does one attribute an anonymous comment?
If you see great personal value in 1-9, maybe you'r eon the way to writing your own #$^%R&T&*&%#^$ article! Fire away, dude.
Why do you think there's such disparity between the three PhD researchers in plant pathology in my links, and the recommendations of some of the CA's commenting here Guy?
Are these PhD's in plant pathology clueless about Inonotus dryadeus compared to some here?
jomoco
Are these PhD's in plant pathology clueless about Inonotus dryadeus compared to some here?
jomoco
guymayor
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Vince, the assignment was briefly but clearly stated.
Stacey, this is not a huge deal, but I agree the format did not seem to suit the scope of the assignment. Final decisions about assets of that size and age should be made defendable by detailed observations and analysis. These are more clearly made when separate sections are labeled.
Experienced consultants have done enough of these to have templates ready for use, so it isn't all written out from scratch every time. The amount of time taken to write it or read it would only be a few minutes more.
"1) TRA reports are describe reasons to remove a tree(s)"
mrtree, i don't disagree in general with your 1-9; it's the claim of copyright that was in question. After figuring out what words were probably omitted,your meaning is somewhat decipherable. Should we delete the "are" in 1), or add "typically used to"?, for instance.
If you want credit for your thoughts being published, I'd suggest first that 1) those thoughts be expressed coherently and 2) that writing be submitted for publication and reviewed. I don't know what you said to force the moderator to delete your post, but please remember where you are before firing off bad words. And if you treasure those golden eggs so greatly, polish and present them yourself!
I agree that if a writer uses a special phrase or a unique bit of analysis done by someone else, that should be attributed. I've gone out of my way to give credit for terms, like "concentrations of vitality" to Colin Bashford, and "retrenchment pruning" to Paul Muir. It's doubtful they were the first folks to ever utter those words, but they were the primary sources for me, so they were attributed.
Stacey, this is not a huge deal, but I agree the format did not seem to suit the scope of the assignment. Final decisions about assets of that size and age should be made defendable by detailed observations and analysis. These are more clearly made when separate sections are labeled.
Experienced consultants have done enough of these to have templates ready for use, so it isn't all written out from scratch every time. The amount of time taken to write it or read it would only be a few minutes more.
"1) TRA reports are describe reasons to remove a tree(s)"
mrtree, i don't disagree in general with your 1-9; it's the claim of copyright that was in question. After figuring out what words were probably omitted,your meaning is somewhat decipherable. Should we delete the "are" in 1), or add "typically used to"?, for instance.
If you want credit for your thoughts being published, I'd suggest first that 1) those thoughts be expressed coherently and 2) that writing be submitted for publication and reviewed. I don't know what you said to force the moderator to delete your post, but please remember where you are before firing off bad words. And if you treasure those golden eggs so greatly, polish and present them yourself!
I agree that if a writer uses a special phrase or a unique bit of analysis done by someone else, that should be attributed. I've gone out of my way to give credit for terms, like "concentrations of vitality" to Colin Bashford, and "retrenchment pruning" to Paul Muir. It's doubtful they were the first folks to ever utter those words, but they were the primary sources for me, so they were attributed.
guymayor
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mr, i never saw your post, nor bothered kathy about it.
Stealing words? No thefts reported. What's next, I hid Hoffa's body too,
and fired the second gun from the grassy knoll in Dallas in 1963?
The thread was about 2 trees. Say what you want.
Stealing words? No thefts reported. What's next, I hid Hoffa's body too,
The thread was about 2 trees. Say what you want.
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Once again you are a liar.
You have run to Kathy because you cannot stand anybody else saying anything.
I clearly made the comment to not steal my words as this is one of your MOs.
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Mrtree,
I got a note about your comment from another thread participant...not Guy either. I've been busy and this is a thread that I haven't followed. If Kathy felt like giving your thread the ax she had reason, and Mark's and my support, to delete it.
If you have issues...don't dilute the thread...write to someone, PM them or heck, go old-school retro and call them!
Once again you are a liar.
You have run to Kathy because you cannot stand anybody else saying anything.
I clearly made the comment to not steal my words as this is one of your MOs.
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Mrtree,
I got a note about your comment from another thread participant...not Guy either. I've been busy and this is a thread that I haven't followed. If Kathy felt like giving your thread the ax she had reason, and Mark's and my support, to delete it.
If you have issues...don't dilute the thread...write to someone, PM them or heck, go old-school retro and call them!
