TVP friction saver
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The tight bend angles you mention are part of the bridge problem, but it is repeated bending cycles in the middle of the bridge that cause the internal wear. You should be fine with the hollow braid you show, as long as it is strong enough, because the bending cycles will be negligible and because you can easily inspect for wear.
Personally I would say no. A friction saver would be outside of typical use for the cord per manufactures specifications. It says " Premium Prusik Cord is 12-Strand Composite"
I made something very similar to what you show a few months ago and had second thoughts after all of the bridge failures. I call all gear and got a pretty shitty answer. They told me to talk to the distributor. I wanted an answer from the manufacture not the distributor. She gave me a hard time about wanting to talk to someone who knew what they where talking about so i hung up and have put all gears products on the back burner.
I'd try something polyester. why not tenex? or even a 16 strand that you can inspect the cover? Maybe a nice double braid that will last the abrasion. There isn't any real need for 900 degree melting point with a friction saver.
If you only use it in a secret weapon configuration you should be ok because it is acting like a prusik cord. Better safe than sorry.
I made something very similar to what you show a few months ago and had second thoughts after all of the bridge failures. I call all gear and got a pretty shitty answer. They told me to talk to the distributor. I wanted an answer from the manufacture not the distributor. She gave me a hard time about wanting to talk to someone who knew what they where talking about so i hung up and have put all gears products on the back burner.
I'd try something polyester. why not tenex? or even a 16 strand that you can inspect the cover? Maybe a nice double braid that will last the abrasion. There isn't any real need for 900 degree melting point with a friction saver.
If you only use it in a secret weapon configuration you should be ok because it is acting like a prusik cord. Better safe than sorry.
Norm_Hall
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I wouldn't use TVP as a friction saver.
Go with polyester.
Go with polyester.
JTree
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While I'm no expert, I'd climb on it in certain situations. However, there are better materials out there for friction savers in my opinion. I know that self abrasion is bad and all, but all that means to me is "the life of this product will be shorter than those made with other materials." I use ice tail for my i&i prusiks, and will continue to do so until I get better/faster at popping of OP i&i's, but believe me, I never forget that the cord self abraids, and I retire them much more often than I do with other cords.....when it starts looking even a little "hairy" I retire the cord lickity split.
My largest concern is the hollow braid sliding over bark. I probably wouldn't climb on this FS if it had been installed remotely on even a semi rough bark tree. In my mind, I would be imagining the braid getting snagged on a rough piece of bark in the crotch and malforming when I loaded it. That's probably just my paranoia, but it's kept me alive so far so I don't question it's judgment. As a secret weapon, I'd be just fine with it. Personally, I use double braid poly for my FSs (I built a U-Saver by oldfart) and I like it a lot. It's very light and easy to splice. Biggest problem I had with it is the look of the thin diameter. Freaked me out for a while, but I got over it.
My largest concern is the hollow braid sliding over bark. I probably wouldn't climb on this FS if it had been installed remotely on even a semi rough bark tree. In my mind, I would be imagining the braid getting snagged on a rough piece of bark in the crotch and malforming when I loaded it. That's probably just my paranoia, but it's kept me alive so far so I don't question it's judgment. As a secret weapon, I'd be just fine with it. Personally, I use double braid poly for my FSs (I built a U-Saver by oldfart) and I like it a lot. It's very light and easy to splice. Biggest problem I had with it is the look of the thin diameter. Freaked me out for a while, but I got over it.
JTree
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- East Texas
Good luck on getting a solid response on that one LOL. I've never messed with non-reg 16 strand splices. Plenty have, but are hesitant to share their method....which I can understand (giving someone instruction for splicing on the internet would make me nervous too). Personally, I'm waiting on materials to make a mechanical/retrievable redirect for SRT as well. Hooray for the rope wrench. (and hooray for easily splicable OP)
NickfromWI
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- Los Angeles, CA
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I wouldn't use TVP as a friction saver.
Go with polyester.
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Agreed. The TVP is giving you no benefit. Polyester is wayyyyy better.
I wouldn't use TVP as a friction saver.
Go with polyester.
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Agreed. The TVP is giving you no benefit. Polyester is wayyyyy better.
NickfromWI
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Good luck on getting a solid response on that one LOL. I've never messed with non-reg 16 strand splices. Plenty have, but are hesitant to share their method....
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Nah- its no big deal. Just make long overlapping tails. The security of the splice comes mostly from those strands just below the eye.
Yes, you can do a two footer. Make one up and break test it. You'll be happy with it after you see it get pulled on by a truck a few times.
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nick
Good luck on getting a solid response on that one LOL. I've never messed with non-reg 16 strand splices. Plenty have, but are hesitant to share their method....
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Nah- its no big deal. Just make long overlapping tails. The security of the splice comes mostly from those strands just below the eye.
Yes, you can do a two footer. Make one up and break test it. You'll be happy with it after you see it get pulled on by a truck a few times.
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nick
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