TRT

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Anyone climbing TRT? Twin rope technique. Looking to discuss techniques and anchors, systems, really all parts. Curious what others are doing as I enter this very strange climbing style...
@oceans any input? Trying to figure out a climbing system, preferably hitch based...
 
I agree that sounds like a strange climbing style. What is the benefit? Seems like you'd just be climbing one rope with SRT and using the other as a safety. I've used a twin rope system in rescue applications, primarily with a tripod, where the two legs can be directly opposed to eliminate tipping forces (from the raise/lower system) on the tripod when a redirect within the tripod footprint isn't possible.
 
Pretty confused as to how if actually works to be honest. Is it just two climbing ropes with two separate TIPS used simultaneously or is it two climbing ropes with same TIP used in conjunction?
 
I organized a TRT webinar just the other day, with Lawrence Schultz, also Kevin Bingham, Jamie Merritt and around 20 other interested minds. I recorded it (Zoom), 3 and a half hours discussion going over definitions, context, anchoring configuration and strength, device choice, ascent techniques, forces inside and outside the system and some other 'advanced anchoring' things. If you are interested in watching send me a DM.
 
Anyone climbing TRT? Twin rope technique. Looking to discuss techniques and anchors, systems, really all parts. Curious what others are doing as I enter this very strange climbing style...
@oceans any input? Trying to figure out a climbing system, preferably hitch based...
Dre, if you want to get together for some work days, we can put some systems together for you to try.
 

nice anchor idea, remotely settable and retrievable, and equally tensioned lines. also, from 2016.. this guy was way ahead of the times
There was a bunch of discussion around that time about that technique. I want to say it was someone with the tag of Johnnypro that was spear heading the idea. Unfortunately a huge amount of the content was deleted for reasons unknown. Both here and on YouTube
 
OK guys, here it is, 3 plus hours of nerdy thin rope technique.. ahum, my mistake, TWIN ROPE TECHNIQUE. Use it or not, TRT taught me a lot about configuration, anchor design and rope management. Theoretically, the most interesting rope system, bar none.
Lawrence Schultz was getting into it so we decided why not make the intro discussion public, and ran a zoom workshop last year. Some great climbers joined us, lots of questions and back and forth. Enjoy:
 
You too @oceans . You were instrumental in lots of stuff.
Thanks brother. Well, I certainly owe much to you and Iwasa san for getting me to Japan. Do you have any of the photos from Seiji’s genba in the mountains? I remember doing all those Tsugi trees on TRT. Some good sized logs getting winched up the slope!
 
Very interesting and eye opening about what actually is meant by TRT. I suppose that mid line is still important, but am wondering if that alternating lanyard advancement with TRT even needs for the multicender to be detached? I will have to see if I can make a fat BOLA specifically for two 8.5mm ropes.
 
Very interesting and eye opening about what actually is meant by TRT. I suppose that mid line is still important, but am wondering if that alternating lanyard advancement with TRT even needs for the multicender to be detached? I will have to see if I can make a fat BOLA specifically for two 8.5mm ropes.
hey Gordon, I am probably by far not alone in wanting to do TRT using the 11.7mm rope(s) I use daily in a variety of situations. There is no device out there that will do it, which why folks are stuffing 8mm lines as a sort of hack. Can you make that device ??
 
hey Gordon, I am probably by far not alone in wanting to do TRT using the 11.7mm rope(s) I use daily in a variety of situations. There is no device out there that will do it, which why folks are stuffing 8mm lines as a sort of hack. Can you make that device ??
With rope diameter that thick (not saying it’s a problem), you’re likely to benefit from using two Independant devices. I have a myriad of reasons, but The main one being: using 2 separate devices allows Independant orientation if the ropes are used as 2 sepeerate stationary systems.

To get into TRT with larger diameter ropes, you might find that you already have what you need. I’ve made a video years ago of tandem hitches, each with their own hitch climber pulley, and held side by side with a single, wide HMS style carabiner.

To ascend, I found that I could either footlock in 1:1 efficiency, or move around exactly as I would in a typical MRS by just pulling down on one side and running it through the hiych.

To descend, I found that I also had the choice of pulling down on both hitches simultaneously, leaving the ropes stationary (SRS), or again, just pulling down on one hitch and allowing the rope to flow through just one hitch (MRS).

Example: to climb a 100’ tall tree, you’d want 200’ of rope for a MRS. To climb the same tree with TRT, you can use 2 separate 100’ ropes joined by a carabiner. By keeping the carabiner at the branch union you’re hanging from, you’re also keeping the rope equal lengths below you. I kept the crab just to the left side of the union,

This was about ten years ago, so I don’t know if the video of all this is still up, but I did have a quick demo of the whole thing at one point. It’s a fully ANSI compliant merge of SRS and MRS with simple off the shelf components, and it works beautifully. You can use it with a Ring to ring anchor, or simply over a branch.
 
This is the Crab. It is two regular BOLA's with one custom teardrop joining them at the bottom. In the video, I am using Tachyon. I agree with Eric however, in that two separate systems seem to make more sense.


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The beauty of TRT is control of the working end through a single interface. Having two independent systems is called DSRT and probably many other acronyms :) Having a single "system" simplifies things and far less clutter.

Point is still that there is no such "TRT" multiscender device on the market compatible with defacto tree climbing rope. There are dual hand ascenders apparently made for this purpose, and left and right foot ascenders, doubled micro pulleys, etc.. No product fills this niche.
 
No “single” product, but certainly a pair of your fave might cut the mustard. :)
 

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