treeman/snowplow man tips, musings

treevet

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If you are a tree guy and live where you get snowed out of tree work chances are you have a plow to keep the cash flow...flowing. Anybody want to talk little bout that?

Just put my plow on and loaded up with salt and got my crew ready to go...but maybe snow a no show. Poet and didn't know it.

 
You buy one of those plows? I want one for my driveway. I plow it right now with a toro dingo with the bucket, its a PITA
 
There really is a lot of strategy and timing involved to be as good as you can be at it....especially with ice control.
Very true. Ice is the killer but it seems the snow removal can be very profitable if properly executed. I used to love going out all night and shoveling.
 
Be real curious to how much snow a mini with a snow plow can push. With my bucket I can push ALOT, and thats with it collecting in my bucket!!
 
Bucket is very inefficient. Collects rather than displaces it. I just bought the plow with the power angle and after seeing a few vids I am pretty confident I can do the tight spots with it. You can buy the plow with manual angle but better yet you could probably fab a lawnmower set up to fit it with little cost.
 
Bucket is very inefficient. Collects rather than displaces it. I just bought the plow with the power angle and after seeing a few vids I am pretty confident I can do the tight spots with it. You can buy the plow with manual angle but better yet you could probably fab a lawnmower set up to fit it with little cost.

Yes, that is what I am looking into. I park my equipment at a welders shop. He could fabricate it for me if I bought the mini plate, I have found them and they are cheap like 150 bucks shipped to your door.
Also, I have pretty much gotten into the habit to bring my mini with me for every job. The other day I didn't really need it, but said what the hell, I am going to take the mini. Well where I needed to dump chips there was a snow bank in the way. I just unloaded the mini and pushed the bank outta the way and dumped the chips. That saved my job, because the next closest spot was 20 minutes one way. We dumped three times that day.
Also, I like the idea of plowing off the area where we will be working. Or, plowing a path for the bucket to back into. Like right now, we have had freezing temperatures with little snow. The ground is frozen solid. Yup, you got me convinced. I am going to make one.
What size is the one you bought?? If you can, post some pictures of it in action!!
 
Too many guys round here buy $40k+ trucks and $5k+ trucks that have full time "regular" jobs, justifying the set up that they will make a few bucks on the side. Needless to say, many get subbed by the players who own all the plowing contracts and bank on these dingdongs. What they get paid does not justify the wear and tear imo. I guess they feel good about working though. Kinda like many fire wood guys who by all the equipment, and would not make a buck for years and then they are still working for $20/hr or less. I swear they do this stuff for fun up here.

The real money in plowing is made buy the local construction companies who park their equipment for the winter at the shopping malls and plazas. One landscaper in town has the boarder crossing contracts. I've been told he crushes it so hard in the winter up there that he "play's" landscaper all in his super nice equipment all summer picking the money jobs. With out knowing that, one would think he was the king of landscaping in town.

Myself, my insurance does cover plowing at no additional cost...No thank you! I have enough properties of my own to plow out for a day. Nor, will I let any of my employees plow ever again. Let alone the lack of respect for slamming into banks and curbs, and getting stuck, one of them ran over a chunk of wood once and cost about $1,000 worth of front end damage, by the time I figured out what happened. Plowing is a great way to burn up a tranny too. The plow blocks the trans cooler, but that's not the real problem, the truck never reaches enough rpm's and speed to keep the tranny fluid cool when plowing. Make sure you plow in 4lo and get a trans temp gauge. And the final issue why I hate plowing. I work as a ski patroller, mostly only when it snows!
 
Yes, that is what I am looking into. I park my equipment at a welders shop. He could fabricate it for me if I bought the mini plate, I have found them and they are cheap like 150 bucks shipped to your door.
Also, I have pretty much gotten into the habit to bring my mini with me for every job. The other day I didn't really need it, but said what the hell, I am going to take the mini. Well where I needed to dump chips there was a snow bank in the way. I just unloaded the mini and pushed the bank outta the way and dumped the chips. That saved my job, because the next closest spot was 20 minutes one way. We dumped three times that day.
Also, I like the idea of plowing off the area where we will be working. Or, plowing a path for the bucket to back into. Like right now, we have had freezing temperatures with little snow. The ground is frozen solid. Yup, you got me convinced. I am going to make one.
What size is the one you bought?? If you can, post some pictures of it in action!!
Be careful plowing lawns, even frozen. Make sure your skids are adjusted properly. We made some custom ones out of old snow boards, still only works on perfectly flat lawns. I prefer to use the mini with the bucket to clear paths for jobs. Yes it collects rather then plows, but it cuts under/through frozen banks where a plow would have no chance of penetration.
 
Yes, that is what I am looking into. I park my equipment at a welders shop. He could fabricate it for me if I bought the mini plate, I have found them and they are cheap like 150 bucks shipped to your door.
Also, I have pretty much gotten into the habit to bring my mini with me for every job. The other day I didn't really need it, but said what the hell, I am going to take the mini. Well where I needed to dump chips there was a snow bank in the way. I just unloaded the mini and pushed the bank outta the way and dumped the chips. That saved my job, because the next closest spot was 20 minutes one way. We dumped three times that day.
Also, I like the idea of plowing off the area where we will be working. Or, plowing a path for the bucket to back into. Like right now, we have had freezing temperatures with little snow. The ground is frozen solid. Yup, you got me convinced. I am going to make one.
What size is the one you bought?? If you can, post some pictures of it in action!!
Yes, that is what I am looking into. I park my equipment at a welders shop. He could fabricate it for me if I bought the mini plate, I have found them and they are cheap like 150 bucks shipped to your door.
Also, I have pretty much gotten into the habit to bring my mini with me for every job. The other day I didn't really need it, but said what the hell, I am going to take the mini. Well where I needed to dump chips there was a snow bank in the way. I just unloaded the mini and pushed the bank outta the way and dumped the chips. That saved my job, because the next closest spot was 20 minutes one way. We dumped three times that day.
Also, I like the idea of plowing off the area where we will be working. Or, plowing a path for the bucket to back into. Like right now, we have had freezing temperatures with little snow. The ground is frozen solid. Yup, you got me convinced. I am going to make one.
What size is the one you bought?? If you can, post some pictures of it in action!!

Mine is supposed to be 48" wide and less with the angle but it says it is almost 50". I just really have one property I do with a tiny one or two if I feel like it. But the big one has 6 huge parking lots and roadways and walks and small stuff and even one spot where we have to go inside and up an elevator and shovel (not me) a courtyard.

this is mine...it was $2k http://www.quickattach.com/attachments/minisnowlightmaterialblade/
 
Too many guys round here buy $40k+ trucks and $5k+ trucks that have full time "regular" jobs, justifying the set up that they will make a few bucks on the side. Needless to say, many get subbed by the players who own all the plowing contracts and bank on these dingdongs. What they get paid does not justify the wear and tear imo. I guess they feel good about working though. Kinda like many fire wood guys who by all the equipment, and would not make a buck for years and then they are still working for $20/hr or less. I swear they do this stuff for fun up here.

The real money in plowing is made buy the local construction companies who park their equipment for the winter at the shopping malls and plazas. One landscaper in town has the boarder crossing contracts. I've been told he crushes it so hard in the winter up there that he "play's" landscaper all in his super nice equipment all summer picking the money jobs. With out knowing that, one would think he was the king of landscaping in town.

Myself, my insurance does cover plowing at no additional cost...No thank you! I have enough properties of my own to plow out for a day. Nor, will I let any of my employees plow ever again. Let alone the lack of respect for slamming into banks and curbs, and getting stuck, one of them ran over a chunk of wood once and cost about $1,000 worth of front end damage, by the time I figured out what happened. Plowing is a great way to burn up a tranny too. The plow blocks the trans cooler, but that's not the real problem, the truck never reaches enough rpm's and speed to keep the tranny fluid cool when plowing. Make sure you plow in 4lo and get a trans temp gauge. And the final issue why I hate plowing. I work as a ski patroller, mostly only when it snows!


I agree with most of what you said. I plowed a lot back in the '70's and quit for years with all the damage but began again about 4 years ago with my new 3500 Silverado and Snow Dogg plow and salter. I do all the truck work myself and have 2 guys do all the interior and small stuff with shovels, snow blower, tractor plow and now Dingo plow. It is as profitable as the tree work and generally done when no tree work would be done anyhow. Not worried about my truck or equipment...they are bulletproof. Agree completely with you to not let an employee do the plowing...unless I was super big...which I don't want to be. All my stuff was paid off way in distant past and it is all profit. I would never compromise my beloved Silverado either.
 
Be careful plowing lawns, even frozen. Make sure your skids are adjusted properly. We made some custom ones out of old snow boards, still only works on perfectly flat lawns. I prefer to use the mini with the bucket to clear paths for jobs. Yes it collects rather then plows, but it cuts under/through frozen banks where a plow would have no chance of penetration.

I just got nowhere with my big bucket as it took all the weight off the machine and onto the attachment taking away the traction. I even quit using the mini til I bought this attachment.
 
I just got nowhere with my big bucket as it took all the weight off the machine and onto the attachment taking away the traction. I even quit using the mini til I bought this attachment.
Right on..
My mini has wheels. Good ole ram rod 900t re powered with a 25hp and higher gpm single pump, deleted the aux hydraulics and second pump. Unloaded she wheelies with ease, making quick rotations. When I load the bucket she gets more traction. I can dig into banks and flop giant chunks of ice/snow. We had to re engineer the front axle set up, after we bent and broke it from the massive loading. Gotta make sure the tires are filled or we rip them off the beads when turning heavily loaded on pavement.
 
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I agree with most of what you said. I plowed a lot back in the '70's and quit for years with all the damage but began again about 4 years ago with my new 3500 Silverado and Snow Dogg plow and salter. I do all the truck work myself and have 2 guys do all the interior and small stuff with shovels, snow blower, tractor plow and now Dingo plow. It is as profitable as the tree work and generally done when no tree work would be done anyhow. Not worried about my truck or equipment...they are bulletproof. Agree completely with you to not let an employee do the plowing...unless I was super big...which I don't want to be. All my stuff was paid off way in distant past and it is all profit. I would never compromise my beloved Silverado either.
Yea a 3500 would have no problems, geared lower then a half tons many guys put plows on and wonder why the trans pooped.
I have no doubt I could make as much if not more doing snow removal, then tree work. And your right again about the fact it's during a time when you would not be doing tree work any way. I have so many people ask me if I plow that I probably could have more plowing then I could handle. Don't get me wrong, not trying to steer anyone away from it...just not my thing. I'm usually freaking out while I'm plowing at 3am hoping I can get to the mountain for first chair! You know ski patrollers have to ski all the trails first to make sure they are safe for public right?
 
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Or you can go with a V-plow

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At one time Branch Manger was designing a V-plow system...but it never came out in production that I've seen. This is a pic Carl sent me a year ago, when I contacted him about it . It has expandable wings. I keep looking for it to come out in production.
branchV.webp
 
Plowed/shoveled in the 80' and 90's. Longest shift was 36 hours straight. Almost went snow blind one time. Love and miss snow, hate having to plow and clean it up, but will do it if need be to pay bills.
 
Just watched the vid in the first post. Had to chuckle at hitting the Mercedes. One time after 3 24" storms in a week, I had buried a 75 Lincoln Mark IV. The only thing you could see was the radio antenna sticking out of the snow. Guy was pissed!
 

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