Treeflex Vs. Master deluxe

FT,

Do you have the small shackles with the nylon inserts? I haven't had any catching issues with my bridge...but I don't use the aluminum ring. I changed it for a smaller stainless steel bow shackle. The shackle has a smaller inside diameter than the al ring so that it is why there isn't a problem.

Cost, performance and value are complicated relationships. When I look back on my harness choices over the years I have found that the cost has gone up everytime that I've bought a new harness. At the same time performance has taken a step up too. This all translates into a high value. My back and hips feel so much better since I decided to find gear and climbing styles that take better care of myself.

It is very likely that high performance harnesses will not have decades long lives like the lower cost harnesses. On the other hand I have to wonder how many other costs will accrue. In my experience the climbers who are using better harnesses tend to be the ones who take better care of themselves and aren't as worn out. They have seen the value in using good gear and good practices.
 
Thats about what i wanted to hear. I don't have a good back to start with but I don't have any under lying problems just yet. A lot of the older guys in my office have back problem from climbing and I'm wondering if this is a solution to be an older climber and still have your health with you. I guess I can give it a shot because I got some money from my b-day coming up shortly so, unless I change my mind in the next day or so it should be on order. I will be having a discussion with my co workers about it to see if I get other opinions.
 
Tom. I switched back over to the shackels and original bridge. Thats where i am having the problem. Do you happen to remember the website where you bought your earless shackles? What size did you buy? I'm going to take. Pictures of me in the harness and send them to paolo to make sure I'm wearing it correctly
 
Jman

I think if your looking for a saddle to last a long time, the buck master deluxe will last as long as any. Buckingham is a proven company and been in the industry a long time. There saddles are proven and keep getting better. I don't think you would be disappointed at all with the master deluxe. There are so many options with 8 connection points.

Me personally am waiting another couple years to see how these new "high performance" saddles stand up. They keep coming out with newer and better but none have been around long enough to have any kind of a track record. I wanna wait a couple more years and then here what guys are saying when they are wearing them out.

I think buying a saddle is one of the most exciting pieces of equipment to buy. Its great weighing all the options, looking at all the other features. Good luck!!!
 
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I wanna wait a couple more years and then hear what guys are saying when they are wearing them out.

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In two years you could have built a successful business!
 
TF has been in the field for about a year now.

Technology moves ahead much faster in other parts of our lives. Take time to look back in annual increments to see what you rely on today. Would you have wanted to wait another year to have that level of technology?
 
Well, I must be one of those that's establishing that track record. Every day, another happy [Dun]lap. Sorry, I can't head-to-head compare these two harnesses. My initial experience and every use since with the TreeFlex is that it goes on and gets out of the way.

When it came to putting on the harness, as usual, I just step in- no tangling of the leg straps before stepping through the belt and clipping them. I have to fight with my BF2. This causes delays and distractions where I can otherwise be focusing upon getting next part of the job.

When its on, I sort of have to remind myself I'm in it because its not reminding me its trying to do its job by poking me in the ribs, pinching me in the butt, creeping around and rubbing. Like a pair of pants-- you know they're there, doing their job.

The TFx is not uncomfortable when its really warm, either. Nothing like a case of saddle back rash at 8AM in April that lasts for the next 7 months.

Where's my payback? Its in the end of the day and on the weekends, when I don't feel I've worn a harness all week.
 
Ok, so its been out a year how much wear is on the saddle?

I just want a saddle thats going to last about 3 years. By then i would be ready to upgrade. I did look into the petzel saddle but the plastic quick clips on the leggings and the belt where DQ'ed (only reason why i know this is because a fellow co worker had his vario DQ'ed because of them). I'm still on the fence about the saddle and almost broke down and bought the master today. I'm going to give it a few more days till i figure out which one i want. The durability of the saddle is what is stopping me from buying it right now.
 
jman, owning a new saddle can be the best investment you make for yourself, but your patience is what is going to get you the best saddle for YOU! keep looking around, keep investigating, that way, after you buy the saddle your looking for, you know its the right choice

or, on the other hand, just go and buy the master deluxe, its a proven, durable saddle and if you want to treat yourself in six months, buy the treeflex, you know you deserve to do it, especially in the VA heat, and things are gonna get real busy out there, so come september, after all of the over time is put in, go buy yourself the treeflex and have a nice relaxing winter in your other "baby"

ps, how much is the master deluxe anyway?
 
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I don't think building a successful business is going to be determined on the saddle you buy. So i'll be wearing my master saddle while building a business. Just think if the new "high performance" saddle didn't last then i spend about 200 more that i could have invested into other area's of a business. So i think going with the saddle that has been proven and you know will last longer, will actually be making a smarter investment for a business.
 
jman, if your lookin for good shackles that have no tabs or "ears" check this thread, derrick was kind enough to do some research for me (and i believe tom found them as well) and found some sweet shackles

derrick, didnt you just make a bridge for your master? pics? help a brother out
 
I'm looking at the ones from Bosunsuplies.com. I'm also having Nick make me up a bridge for it. Balieys just reverted the treeflex to 479 so that just helped me out. That just became a little too expensive for me.
 
hahaha, can't give me the credit for that site FT, it was tom, i just copyed the link and had it saved on my computer.

as for making a bridge, i would talk to nick or one of the other guys, maybe use the search (normally i would do it for you and post a link but i'm lazy right now) I personally bought the bf2 replacement bridge with the shackles with dogears. I like it but think if i did it over again i would have one costum spliced. Its nice cause you have 3 different positions to choose from and find what works for you.

Hope you enjoy your new saddle.

custom master saddle bridge

Ok fine i felt bad and looked it up, i mean i did start the thread.
 
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