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surveyor said:
Has Tree Stuff dropped an innovative product, not because of a defect in the product, but because of the perceived defect in the makers religious beliefs?
if so then this is disturbing to me.
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I prefer to decouple the ethics from the religious beliefs. A couple of related fallacies when they are taken together:

1. Atheists cannot have values, much less good ones.

2. It's okay to engage in genocide because the good book says people could do it in the past and it was fine then...

Matt Cornell's values may or may not emanate from his beliefs. Doesn't matter. Values are values. My values include gender equality and fairness.
 
Burying hate speech, white supremacy, gender inequality and genocide in a religious context has always been a popular way of rationalizing obscene behavior and moral depravity. Atheists who call people out for doing this are automatically labeled as godless heretics without ethics, as though the only path to moral behavior is to be enlightened by their particular god, religious doctrine or holy books. When the political climate isn't conducive to their ramblings, the ageless powerhouse motivator, peer pressure, keeps them silent or holed up in enclaves of like-minded idiots. When the political climate encourages idiocy, hatred and a lack of compassion for your fellow human beings, then they hop back on their soapbox and declare atheism and liberal politics as the root of all evil.

What materials are the MCRS made from? An abomination to God, worthy of a nice, public stoning. His god, his book. If it's alright for him to ignore the passages that are an inconvenience to him, then I feel perfectly safe in calling the religious context of his ramblings utter bullshit.
 
It disturbs me that someone's livelihood would be attacked because he says something antithetical to the reigning orthodoxy.

There is a restaurant near here that turned the M on the men's bathroom door upside down due to a social media complaint by a feminist lesbian. She found it offensive that the washrooms were based on a binery sexual designation.

I must be getting old for I'm starting to find the collective dillusion puzzles me.
 
surveyor said:
Has Tree Stuff dropped an innovative product, not because of a defect in the product, but because of the perceived defect in the makers religious beliefs?
if so then this is disturbing to me.
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TreeStuff....(and by extension; Sherrill)...the new arbiters of political correctness and enlightened thinking.
A Brave New World.
They can both kiss my adze.
The nail that sticks up gets hammered. Sorry this happened to you, Matt.
 
I believe both parties acted according to rights. The real hang up seems to be whether exercising a particular right was wise.

Not having seen Matt's statements, I cannot speak to them; though, it seems his choice to exercise free speech may not have been a wise decision, whether in principle, delivery, or both.

Treestuff also exercised their right, and the main issue seems to be whether they acted wisely.

Personally, it seems reactionary and a little over the top. I don't know what the ongoing relationship between Matt and TS, and whether this was a last straw, or if it was reaching too far without a concern for burning bridges.

I don't run a distribution business, so my armchair management only counts for so much- it seems to me if TS wanted to distance themselves, they could engage in the arena where Matt's dialogue took place to state their position (maybe this was done?). If there was continued input that put pressure on TS, then they could put out a statement regarding the input, their position, and a decision of whether to continue the business relationship. I think keeping a great product on the market is important, and I know TS has taken it on the chin before for the sake of the customers. It disappoints me that they've chosen differently here, but I don't have all the details or know the ins and outs of the relationship.

The real disappointment for me is that I was planning to soon buy an MCRS since my TM is about to reach 5 years of production.
 
Crimsonking said:
I believe both parties acted according to rights. The real hang up seems to be whether exercising a particular right was wise.

Not having seen Matt's statements, I cannot speak to them; though, it seems his choice to exercise free speech may not have been a wise decision, whether in principle, delivery, or both.

Treestuff also exercised their right, and the main issue seems to be whether they acted wisely.

Personally, it seems reactionary and a little over the top. I don't know what the ongoing relationship between Matt and TS, and whether this was a last straw, or if it was reaching too far without a concern for burning bridges.

I don't run a distribution business, so my armchair management only counts for so much- it seems to me if TS wanted to distance themselves, they could engage in the arena where Matt's dialogue took place to state their position (maybe this was done?). If there was continued input that put pressure on TS, then they could put out a statement regarding the input, their position, and a decision of whether to continue the business relationship. I think keeping a great product on the market is important, and I know TS has taken it on the chin before for the sake of the customers. It disappoints me that they've chosen differently here, but I don't have all the details or know the ins and outs of the relationship.

The real disappointment for me is that I was planning to soon buy an MCRS since my TM is about to reach 5 years of production.
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Do yourself a favor and get another TM


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I wanted one to tinker around with, as I'm stepping back from production climbing and am willing to deal with potential inconveniences. I do love how dialed in my TM is, though. I haven't changed its configuration in a year.
 
Crimsonking said:
I wanted one to tinker around with, as I'm stepping back from production climbing and am willing to deal with potential inconveniences. I do love how dialed in my TM is, though. I haven't changed its configuration in a year.
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It’s a much nicer platform to start tinkering from.


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DSMc said:
This does not reflect the Royce I have come to know on this forum. It does, however, reflect the thinking of multitudes worldwide. Look around, how's that working out for us?
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I guess that I might have spoken too soon. I do have a moral compass and an obligation to do right by all accounts. I am also a business man that needs to make a certain amount of money. I do care how that money is made. I spoke too soon in the realm of saying I am in business to make money..period. That is actually not true when I look at the mission statement of my business plan. Making money is not on the top of the list. I do feel their are more important things to focus on.
In thinking about this all day...I wonder if it would be any different than if an employee of mine went on a rant on a customers of ours property. If my employee did so...what would my course of action be? Would this customer feel that I have the same beliefs as this employee? What would they tell others? I could see how this could negatively effect my business by being associated with this employee. Reminds me of that expression " A man is know by the company he keeps"
 
treegongfu said:
It disturbs me that someone's livelihood would be attacked because he says something antithetical to the reigning orthodoxy.

There is a restaurant near here that turned the M on the men's bathroom door upside down due to a social media complaint by a feminist lesbian. She found it offensive that the washrooms were based on a binery sexual designation.

I must be getting old for I'm starting to find the collective dillusion puzzles me.
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Sex isn't binary, except for the majority. Not delineating restrooms for the minority is barbaric - perhaps non-binaries have every right to unload anywhere they want to, since that is commensurately barbaric.

Additionally, it's also weird to go into a room with same sex folks and whip it out. If @JeffGu ever makes to go into the same restroom as you, there are *multiple* reasons to gruesomely trip and smash your face on the sidewalk, though Jeff might linger behind for that instead...

We were brainwashed. Now we aren't.
 
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Crimsonking said:
I believe both parties acted according to rights. The real hang up seems to be whether exercising a particular right was wise.

Not having seen Matt's statements, I cannot speak to them; though, it seems his choice to exercise free speech may not have been a wise decision, whether in principle, delivery, or both.

Treestuff also exercised their right, and the main issue seems to be whether they acted wisely.

Personally, it seems reactionary and a little over the top. I don't know what the ongoing relationship between Matt and TS, and whether this was a last straw, or if it was reaching too far without a concern for burning bridges.

I don't run a distribution business, so my armchair management only counts for so much- it seems to me if TS wanted to distance themselves, they could engage in the arena where Matt's dialogue took place to state their position (maybe this was done?). If there was continued input that put pressure on TS, then they could put out a statement regarding the input, their position, and a decision of whether to continue the business relationship. I think keeping a great product on the market is important, and I know TS has taken it on the chin before for the sake of the customers. It disappoints me that they've chosen differently here, but I don't have all the details or know the ins and outs of the relationship.

The real disappointment for me is that I was planning to soon buy an MCRS since my TM is about to reach 5 years of production.
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We've seen this all before with Hollywood. Celebrities can feel free to exercise their first amendment right of Free Speech, but after they have come out and said something controversial or crazy weird, they may or may not be as likely to get a part. Those casting the movie can choose whether they want to associate their production with that individual...if they do cast them in their flick then we get to choose for ourselves if we want to go see that movie. We all have the freedom to speak our minds, but as Crimsonking said, "The real hang up seems to be whether exercising a particular right was wise."

The movie might not be as good without that actor, they might have robbed us of even having the choice to watch the film with that actor in it, but it was their right.

I almost didn't respond to this topic, but I have the right to speak to this issue...was it the right decision to say anything, maybe not...maybe you, the reader, will now despise me and never read anything I say again, maybe the moderator will kick me off the site...but that is your and their right, because I am exercising my right...maybe not intelligently, but we all have the right.

Now I am sure TreeStuff thought long and hard about this decision to drop the MCRS, because TreeStuff has more to lose from this than just about anybody. They were instrumental in helping Matt bring this to market and they were very proud of this product. I am guessing they are hurting having to make this choice, but I can't really speak for them.

I am good with my TM and am not in the same boat as all of you that have bought into this product, so I am not as riled up about it. Sorry to anyone who is suffering from this whole ordeal.

To conclude: Pay no attention to me, I don't really know what is going on! :baaa:
 
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