Tree Motion Defect??

Reliable tree man

Reliable tree man

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Just bought a tree motion and have only used it twice. It is by far the most comfortable saddle I have used.

My issue (or potential issue) is that I noticed some small splits in the conveyor belt material that makes the back pad of the saddle. They are located around the edges of the cut outs for the webbing that runs through the back of the saddle. The splits are in a few different locations.

I know this material is tough as shit and that this is probably not any kind of safety issue but for the $$ this thing cost I want it to last and I don't know if this will get any worse. The fact that it is only in certain locations and this is not happening on the majority of the cut outs on the harness tells me that it is possible that it is a defect.

So, do any other TM owners have this on their harness? Defect or normal?

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks!




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Well, it's certainly not something that will make the harness fail... at the price of the saddle, though, you'd think they would pay a little closer attention to that stuff in QC department. Might just be a new guy on the production line, or something. Personally, I'd probably send the pics off to them with a WTF? note and see what they say. If I liked the saddle, I don't think I'd send it back for that, though. Climb on it a few more times and see if the cuts tear out more, or anything. If it's not getting any worse, it's probably nothing to worry about.
 
Like Jeff said, send pics to them and see what their take is on it before you do any more climbing on it. It may be fine or they'll want it back and replace it. If we want our products to be as good as possible then we need to communicate any concerns with our purchases.
 
I reckon that's the jig misaligned and looks very poor.
I checked the pics against mine, which is 5yrs old, and every cut out is perfect.
Send it back, and get your money's worth, although it would not fail, it weakens the construction.
 
tuttle said:
I reckon that's the jig misaligned and looks very poor.
I checked the pics against mine, which is 5yrs old, and every cut out is perfect.
Send it back, and get your money's worth, although it would not fail, it weakens the construction.
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Thanks for checking yours out, that's what I thought. I will take it to where I bought it and see if they will swap it out for another and send this one to the manufacturer. If they won't, I will contact Teuf.
 
Maybe they have decided to have them made in china, to lower costs and increase profits, that's what everyone gets up to around the globe.
Could be the cut out jig was blunt, so the Stanley knife guy had to sort out dozens, plus he needs new glasses.
 
Doesn't seem like a big issue. I for a long while couldn't believe the price of the treemotion and that they were selling for almost three times other saddles. It seemed offensive to me.
It's the same reason why the hitch climber is three times the price of other micro pulleys. The hitch climber can charge a lot for those two extra holes because they do so much for you.

The tree motion does things that no other saddle on the market does. They have an excellent design team, and the harness is that much more comfortable. It's worth the price even though looking at the materials and what went into it, it can be hard to justify as a consumer.
I'm glad I finally was able to justify it because it's worth it. It's the best saddle currently on the market even with little cracks on the weird plastic leather.

Maybe if someone can make a case for the impact blocks I'll pick up one of those. I already am already saturated with hitch climber pulleys. But between the cmi and ISC blocks and the with x rigging rings being available, It makes it very hard to justify the obscene price of the the impact blocks. Maybe that's for another thread.
 
I agree that it is probably not a big deal but that is not my issue. The issue is that if they want to charge a premium price for a premium product they should do some premium quality control. I have compared this saddle with 3 other tree motions now and none of the others exhibit the "sloppy cutouts". If all of them had this issue, I would just chalk it up to "that's just how they are".

I also agree that it is definitely the most comfortable harness out but being comfortable and having an excellent design does not justify spotty quality control imho; especially at that price!

The reality is that attention to detail and quality are fading away with most products (not just in arboriculture) in favor of mass production, mass sales and mass profits. If people keep accepting sub par products and workmanship that is what they will continue to get more of.
 
Reliable tree man said:
If people keep accepting sub par products and workmanship that is what they will continue to get more of.
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And that is why I send stuff back when I find fault. I recently sent my 16 yr old ECCO dress shoes back to them with a chunk out of the heel. I may have worn them a dozen times or slightly more. They were kept with shoe trees in them to maintain their shape. I wasn't expecting much except an offer to put new soles on them for a fee. Instead they sent me a $150 to replace them with new ECCOs because the heel failure was a defect in the material used. That is outstanding customer service.
 
I only paid £65 UK pounds for mine, which needed new leg loops, worth keeping an eye out for ones being sold with simple fixes.
If things are tight, buy and sell, buy and sell, you'll soon get one for free.
 
Come on Tuttle. A one millimeter slip of a knife on an overall very well made harness fabricated of high quality materials is poor workmanship?
Does that mean that out of every 100 pruning cuts that you make all 100 are perfect? Mine are not. I can't keep up a 100% top notch workmanship. But I really hope that no one ever qualifies my work as poor workmanship based on one slip of the saw.
 
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