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Fellas if the guy wants to vent thats ok, with the caveat already stated about name calling, after all that is what all forums end up being used for from time to time.
If Tom feels the thread should be moved to say Rant and Rave well I'm sure he will do so.
 
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I definitly think you are in the wrong industry.

"As far as hurting trees- so what?"

"It really doesn't matter if some hack messes up trees.No one's company is perfect"

"Hey Danny, do you know how many times I almost got killed, killed somebody, or destroyed your expensive property"

"Armed with my experience and emotion I make this very general statement about this industry; "What the $#@!?". "


wow...

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Yeah, wow! Is it not true?
 
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Time to flush this thread!!!


Tom and Mark............I post here a little but read here a lot. Please delete this...........no redeeming qualities to be found here!!!

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Still here, surprisingly.
 
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#1 I am sick of jokers coming on message boards and calling out C.A.'s. If you are not certified, I don't want to hear from you. Get certified and piss on it all you want, otherwise you are just an ignorant nay-sayer.

#2 Your spelling and grammar is terrible. No one is going to take you seriously if you cannot communicate properly.

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As for #1- good point.Why am I not certified when all I need to do is show up, slap down cash, and be the the first out the door? Are you saying" if you can't beat them join em"? Don't want to hear what I say? Don't read it. By the way who calls out CA's besides me?

#2 So what? So I have some typos and don't know where all the little marks go. What's worse is your tunnel vision.
 
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actually if you all would just stay out of his threads, you would get a good laugh from watching him conversate with himself

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But that is not happening, you keep coming back. I'll take it.
 
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#1 I am sick of jokers coming on message boards and calling out C.A.'s. If you are not certified, I don't want to hear from you. Get certified and piss on it all you want, otherwise you are just an ignorant nay-sayer.

#2 Your spelling and grammar is terrible. No one is going to take you seriously if you cannot communicate properly.

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Ya-know...

Their litney mentions knowing no diploma holders from the school of hard knocks. My conclusion is that their sphere of influence or circle of professionals is rather miniscule.

I've bumped into a few diploma people who were experience-impaired, but I've met far more who have had extensive in-the-field experience.

It's not that they are not out there, its just whether you've met them or not.

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More good points. I don't know who you refer to when you say"their". I have diplomas from a few accredited educational institutions in various areas, one of which is The SOHK.
Also have roamed the continent and have met very few able bodied individuals in this feild. Most you would call hacks, I called them something different. I guess if I had met the people you speak of I wouldn't be so mad. I refer to company owners and business was bad.
 
Good points, everyone, and I think we can all agree on the benefits of a strong foundation based on SRT and good arboriculture practices though. hey, thats a wrap! Its like one of those tv shows where everything went wrong, but in the end it all wraps up with everyone laughing!
 
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thats about the truth of it right there.
Ive known plenty of hard-knockers who switched over to SRT right away. Ive known people with a diploma who applied SRT to other facets of life, like climbing masts on heavy steam fishing boats in Alska, and Ireland.

One of the things I think Benjamin is overlooking is the fact that 1. master, or not, he could be utilising the SRT more dramatically in take down scenarios. 2. I think a lot of his resentment towards his previous employers stems from 1099 squabbles and an under-apprecitaed sense of petiole-responsibility. I mean, we all have to make money right? But nobody wants to see trees get hurt needlessly.
Also, enough with the name-calling.

Climb on, climb high, and climb safe!!!

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I think you missed the point. It has nothing to do with climbing, but how a proffesional tree service is portrayed versus what it really is. I never had a squabble over money, that would be petty. Besides I usually just said "give me my money" and that was enough. What is a 1099?

As far as your comment on trees getting hurt needlessly: that is more on the lines of what I am refering to.

A company will travel a long way to service some trees if the money is right. Sure that's the idea. How about all the trees along the road, forests, and landscape that get driving by every day. You don't care about them because there is no dollar signs in them. A tree co owner really has one objective which is to make as much money as he can. That is hard enough to do with all the pitfalls involved and the tree care aspect is lost in the madness of business. I "run" Kimberton Tree, but I am no businessman.

It all comes down to if you can afford to pay me I will save the trees. You get wrapped up in making sure your business survives and that is priority. I have said that if you want to save the trees the best thing to do is die because we want what we want. If it means chopping down trees for a pool or a building to make nice cars for people to drive to the mall, we will do it without a moments waste.

The fact that it is a bidding war is really sorrowful. I would like to say to potential cutomers" Look I want to take care of your trees so that they are in good hands, get the best estimate you can and I will see if I can do it for that". That might be taken as unfair in business but maybe it would be better for the trees. When I do an estimate I want to say" how much are you willing to pay for a good job?" and go form there. They just want the best price. Can you blame either of us?

Why one co would be less than another is an important thing to consider. But all the people qualified to do the job should be able to do it at the same price, I think. As far as I know I am not a COMMY. But I do feel that if you won't do the job because you want more than someone else you don't relly care about "those" trees. Or you are doing something wrong.

This business(to me) has little to do with tree care and has more to do with people care. What I mean is saving the people from the trees. People need trees, trees do not need people. They will be fine if we leave them alone. In fact, if we do leave them alone they will cover the earth so densly we would have no place to live ( except in them). Now there is something, what if we all lived in trees for houses in stead of cuuting them down or back to make room for ourselves. Personally I would like to live in a loin cloth and swing from vines but since we are human we can't and surely won't. We like our comfort and now we need it.

I try to do what I can to keep cost down so I feel that I am less of a business and more about trees. The church I go to wants to take some trees down to build a parking lot and they want me to do it. The church wants to use the lot to rent to people in the city who have no place to park their very nice and clean cars. The church will use this money to keep it self going. The church is there to save people, not trees. What would you do? CA or not. I am going to chop em down, chip em up and haul em away. If you had to top a live oak to save a life would yoo? Would you do it to save your business?

Like I said, it doesn't matter if trees get mesed up by hacks or anybady else. All that matters is that we are safe from them and can live around them. If we not safe or even don't want to live around them(" OH, I just hate that tree, its so messy!) we will cut it down. That is businees and business sucks, I wish I had listened to my wife and bought the ice cream stand instead of working in this very contoversial feild. Hey, who is gonna turn down ice cream? You can charge as much as you like and people will line up for it. They don't shop around for the best price on a tin roof sundae.

I do know what
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I thought we were done with the name calling?

You comment proves to me that you don't see all 3 sides to the coin. By the true definition of the word stupid, that is what your comment is. Please refer to anything I said that fits this description and elaborate. you would be doing your profeesion a favor by doing so.

I think stupid is when a CA can't finish a job because his employees don't care about him and his work. I think it stupid when he invested all and still has to go back time and time again because what he told the customer he was going to do can't be done by him( or the people he is forced to hire). I think it is stupid to put oneself in that position. I think it stupid to post a picture of allegeded hackers, make fun off them, and judge based on a quick look. I think tunnel vision is stupid. I think that not being able to critize yourself is stupid. I think Forest Gump is stupid, he was just lucky. If think that if you think that I think I am perfect you are stupid.I think the fact that you refer to old movies to try and prove a point is stupid. I think the fact that you are confused about what I say you are stupid. Have a stupid day,it is you right to.Note I did not call YOU stupid.

I can't beleive I am still allowed to post on this site. What? are you stupid? Just a joke, thanks for letting me write what is inside my sick mind. I hope that one day the public will stop seeing us as just a competitive business looking for the most money and realize that there are people who really want to work on their trees just because they really like to. Is that so stupid?

As far as making money: I allready did when you paid me to fix your car.
 
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Fellas if the guy wants to vent thats ok, with the caveat already stated about name calling, after all that is what all forums end up being used for from time to time.
If Tom feels the thread should be moved to say Rant and Rave well I'm sure he will do so.

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Simply put and true. Thanks for having an open mind.
 
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I think its rather amusing.....

actually if you all would just stay out of his threads, you would get a good laugh from watching him conversate with himself

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Agreed 100%!

How does a fire keep burning? More oxygen and fuel. Commenting just adds fuel to the fire.

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Think as if you are reading a book. You don't get to question the author. You just read and make up your own mind. If you don't like it you put it down.

I don't need any more fuel on my fire, I just need some water from time to time. Got any?
 
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I think its rather amusing.....

actually if you all would just stay out of his threads, you would get a good laugh from watching him conversate with himself

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Agreed 100%!

How does a fire keep burning? More oxygen and fuel. Commenting just adds fuel to the fire.

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Dear Tom,

Having the oppurtunity to work on a few farms I have heard it said" You either farm for money or you farm with it" I take that to mean if you farm for money you would have to do things that weren't entirely up to your standards to survive and if you farmed with money you could esentialy go aboout doing whatever you did the way You saw fit. Not to say that I have gobs on cash at hand but I farm with money. The fact that I can means more to me than making more money.I have worked hard all my life to get here.Now that I am I say" It is good to be king".

While working on farms I have personally cut the balls off a perfectly beautiful horse then shot it in the head. I was told to and needed the money. I later got drunk and stole my bosses very new and big pickup and ran it into his house. I'll bet those Texans are still looking for me. If you take pleasure in following horse racing take this into consideration.

This is your house and am sorry if I put my feet up. I only attacked people because they attacked first. I don't want to keep that up but mostly do only want to vent and post how I feel. That is all John Rambo wanted to do.

I think, as human, following the herd is not good to do. It is good to feel safe( I guess) but you only are impressed upon with the general consensus. The general consensus at one time was to kill all that opposed you and your gods and that the world was flat. Also it was cool to enslave people and make them believe you.

I know you all keep reading and maybe think I am out of line. The things I mention in my post are true( you can't deny that) but evrybody has their own opinion which they take to be true as well.

You can all either shut me down or just let me keep writing. Just to tell me you don't agree does not mean I will stop. I will try to avoid name calling as much as possible.

Tom, if you tell me to get out of your house I will. Otherwise...

You take the good and you take the bad and ther you have the facts of life, the facts of life, the fact of life... I don't know the rest but it sounds like it is true.
 
Bsaville.....

Been trying to remember who you remind me of, and it just came to me.....at best your sense of humour and personality traits are identical to Pee Wee Herman.........

.........nobody found his juvenile antics funny or interesting either.

Bsaville = Pee Wee Herman

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Bsaville.....

Been trying to remember who you remind me of, and it just came to me.....at best your sense of humour and personality traits are identical to Pee Wee Herman.........

.........nobody found his juvenile antics funny or interesting either.

Bsaville = Pee Wee Herman

PeeWeeHerman-1.jpg


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Yes, that is the same expression I make when I see guys out there being STUPID.
 
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Bsaville.....

Been trying to remember who you remind me of, and it just came to me.....at best your sense of humour and personality traits are identical to Pee Wee Herman.........

.........nobody found his juvenile antics funny or interesting either.

Bsaville = Pee Wee Herman

PeeWeeHerman-1.jpg


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Yes, that is the same expression I make when I see guys out there being STUPID.

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So, your what your really trying to say is that when you look in the mirror this is the expression you make?
 
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