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- Phoenix Arizona
I do own the Stein rc2000. I want the crane bag....Id pay good Money for a Regs T shirt but I dont see shelling out near a grand for this.
The Stein Arbor Trolley looks sweet
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chris_girard
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- Gilmanton, N.H.
The way that I see it is like this; the savings from the wear and tear that I put on my body hauling brush and wood by hand, or in a wheelbarrow, by investing in the Arbor Trolley is but a small price to pay in the long run.
Not to mention, that as a small LLC company owner, if I can invest in the health of my ground workers, than that will make them better and more productive workers in the long run, which is a win, win situation all around.
Not to mention, that as a small LLC company owner, if I can invest in the health of my ground workers, than that will make them better and more productive workers in the long run, which is a win, win situation all around.
classictruckman
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- Location
- Ottawa Valley, Ontario, Canada
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question....my one ton pick up truck has 16" wheels. did you say this has 16" wheels. they look smaller than that.
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Your pickup has 16" rims, this has 16" wheels (tires included), thats the difference.
question....my one ton pick up truck has 16" wheels. did you say this has 16" wheels. they look smaller than that.
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Your pickup has 16" rims, this has 16" wheels (tires included), thats the difference.
- Location
- Hawaii
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There is no cart anywhere that is available to the tree worker that has been engineered by a tree worker besides the Arbor Trolley.
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The HOBBS Arbor cart has been around a long time, obviously different than the Stein cart but equally versatile IMO.
jp
There is no cart anywhere that is available to the tree worker that has been engineered by a tree worker besides the Arbor Trolley.
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The HOBBS Arbor cart has been around a long time, obviously different than the Stein cart but equally versatile IMO.
jp
chris_girard
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- Gilmanton, N.H.
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There is no cart anywhere that is available to the tree worker that has been engineered by a tree worker besides the Arbor Trolley.
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The HOBBS Arbor cart has been around a long time, obviously different than the Stein cart but equally versatile IMO.
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jp, I have to disagree with you here. The HOBBS Arbor cart was never made commercially available to tree workers, due to the cost of production and shipping.
I had a chance to buy the only one available last year from Don Blair and Ken Johnson, but decided to wait for Reg's Trolley instead, as it seems to fit my needs better. The HOBBS cart seemed a little too big for me. I could have bought it for about the same price as the Arbor Trolley.
For those interested in a HOBBS original, contact Don Blair.
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There is no cart anywhere that is available to the tree worker that has been engineered by a tree worker besides the Arbor Trolley.
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The HOBBS Arbor cart has been around a long time, obviously different than the Stein cart but equally versatile IMO.
jp
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jp, I have to disagree with you here. The HOBBS Arbor cart was never made commercially available to tree workers, due to the cost of production and shipping.
I had a chance to buy the only one available last year from Don Blair and Ken Johnson, but decided to wait for Reg's Trolley instead, as it seems to fit my needs better. The HOBBS cart seemed a little too big for me. I could have bought it for about the same price as the Arbor Trolley.
For those interested in a HOBBS original, contact Don Blair.
chris_girard
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- Location
- Gilmanton, N.H.
Oh BTW, I just picked up the first Arbor Trolley available in the US this afternoon and have it outside right now.
Very, very nice!
Very, very nice!
treevet
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- Cincinnati, Ohio
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question....my one ton pick up truck has 16" wheels. did you say this has 16" wheels. they look smaller than that.
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Your pickup has 16" rims, this has 16" wheels (tires included), thats the difference.
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I have always referred to rims as wheels but I get it.
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question....my one ton pick up truck has 16" wheels. did you say this has 16" wheels. they look smaller than that.
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Your pickup has 16" rims, this has 16" wheels (tires included), thats the difference.
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I have always referred to rims as wheels but I get it.
- Location
- Hawaii
Yeah after I posted that I started searching around for the HOBBS cart to find one for sale, didn't realize they're not available... that's too bad.
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Gerald_Beranek
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- Location
- Ft. Bragg, Ca.
Reg Coates is a great innovator. His ideas do not come from an engineering degree, but from common sense and experience in this work.
I hope he makes a ton of money off all the thinking, time and work that's gone into producing his designs.
Reg is a cool guy.
I hope he makes a ton of money off all the thinking, time and work that's gone into producing his designs.
Reg is a cool guy.
- Location
- south carolina
I'm sure Reg is a very cool guy. I'm sure there are all sorts of rationalizations for spending that much money on this tool. I'm sure it will pay for itself, but I'm also sure it could be half the price. He'd might sell twice as many if they were 400 bucks, which would put him making the same amount as the 800 dollar tag. Not to mention twice as many people would have one and twice as many people could sing the praises of this tool. As it stands now, arbor-yuppies will be enjoying their cool new toys, while all us blue-collar boys will be using the 80 dollar Home Depot model and stowing 720 bucks in the bank. I'm sick of over priced tree stuff. It is a cool tool, however, I've got kids to feed.
Reg
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- Victoria, BC
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I'm sure Reg is a very cool guy. I'm sure there are all sorts of rationalizations for spending that much money on this tool. I'm sure it will pay for itself, but I'm also sure it could be half the price. He'd might sell twice as many if they were 400 bucks, which would put him making the same amount as the 800 dollar tag. Not to mention twice as many people would have one and twice as many people could sing the praises of this tool.
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Highclimber, firstly, I'm just the designer, not the manufacturer. From production to retail the product passes through several parties, obviously they all take their cut before it reaches the end-user....but I can assure you its relatively small cut.
The trolley is currently manufactured in England, as opposed to far east which obviously costs more....however, I believe setting up a US manufacturer is imminent which I hope will favourably change things, but having not checked in with Stein lately I honestly don’t how far things have moved along since our last meeting.
We could produce a $400 trolley tomorrow, but it most probably wouldn't last very long in this line of work....then what would people say?
The folks at Stein are do their best to produce quality products at an affordable price....they are not greedy or stupid in the same respect. Try and see it from both sides if you can. Reg
I'm sure Reg is a very cool guy. I'm sure there are all sorts of rationalizations for spending that much money on this tool. I'm sure it will pay for itself, but I'm also sure it could be half the price. He'd might sell twice as many if they were 400 bucks, which would put him making the same amount as the 800 dollar tag. Not to mention twice as many people would have one and twice as many people could sing the praises of this tool.
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Highclimber, firstly, I'm just the designer, not the manufacturer. From production to retail the product passes through several parties, obviously they all take their cut before it reaches the end-user....but I can assure you its relatively small cut.
The trolley is currently manufactured in England, as opposed to far east which obviously costs more....however, I believe setting up a US manufacturer is imminent which I hope will favourably change things, but having not checked in with Stein lately I honestly don’t how far things have moved along since our last meeting.
We could produce a $400 trolley tomorrow, but it most probably wouldn't last very long in this line of work....then what would people say?
The folks at Stein are do their best to produce quality products at an affordable price....they are not greedy or stupid in the same respect. Try and see it from both sides if you can. Reg
- Location
- Longmont, CO
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...while all us blue-collar boys will be using the 80 dollar Home Depot model and stowing 720 bucks in the bank. I'm sick of over priced tree stuff. It is a cool tool, however, I've got kids to feed.
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Maybe you're a solo outfit, I don't know.
But, if my 3 man crew were walking back and forth multiple times, I'm paying for their ineffeciency. The arbor trolley looks like a labor cost saver for me. Therefore, it would be a much better investment than a regular dolley (of which I own 3). A regular dolley can only handle logs.
Did you see the amount of brush the arbor trolley can handle? It can handle an insane amout of brush. A no-brainer for me brother.
To me, the comparison isn't even close.
But, to each his own...
...while all us blue-collar boys will be using the 80 dollar Home Depot model and stowing 720 bucks in the bank. I'm sick of over priced tree stuff. It is a cool tool, however, I've got kids to feed.
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Maybe you're a solo outfit, I don't know.
But, if my 3 man crew were walking back and forth multiple times, I'm paying for their ineffeciency. The arbor trolley looks like a labor cost saver for me. Therefore, it would be a much better investment than a regular dolley (of which I own 3). A regular dolley can only handle logs.
Did you see the amount of brush the arbor trolley can handle? It can handle an insane amout of brush. A no-brainer for me brother.
To me, the comparison isn't even close.
But, to each his own...
- Location
- south carolina
yes, Reg I can and I mean no disrespect. It is really just the nature of things. It's a great tool and I wasn't trying to take away from the fact in the least, Jaymin. If I didn't want one I wouldn't care how much it cost.
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As a crew leader, I would prefer 3 guys draggin, opposed to 3 guys piling up one cart and one guy taking that while the rest of them stand around smoking cigs. Did anyone see any brush in the vid that wasn't conifer? Conifer stacks real nice. Show me how much brush off a water oak that thing can carry. Or a hickory. I can pile anything if I take twice as long to cut it up. But what is the sense in that? As far as logs and entire limbs, that was impressive. All those long limbs were still very straight and intended to meet the function of the product.
Reg
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- Victoria, BC
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As a crew leader, I would prefer 3 guys draggin, opposed to 3 guys piling up one cart and one guy taking that while the rest of them stand around smoking cigs. Did anyone see any brush in the vid that wasn't conifer? Conifer stacks real nice. Show me how much brush off a water oak that thing can carry. Or a hickory. I can pile anything if I take twice as long to cut it up. But what is the sense in that? As far as logs and entire limbs, that was impressive. All those long limbs were still very straight and intended to meet the function of the product.
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I made that video over a couple of weeks, that was actually the first home made prototype. I didn't really have much choice as to what the jobs were, just so happens thats what was booked thought that period. I could have waited to add a little more variety but decided that people would get the general principles and the rest being left to their own imagination and prowess.
I did upload another clip but just to show-how with the handle removed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djXNzLekJec
Again, I cant help the fact that the branches are straight, the fact remains thats how they were cut from the tree.
All tools have their limitations of course, but with that said its really down to the end-users foresight to work things in their favour.
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I would prefer 3 guys draggin, opposed to 3 guys piling up one cart and one guy taking that while the rest of them stand around smoking cigs.
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Well, if they choose to stand around smoking instead of finding something else to do then the issue is with them and not the trolley. We often just pile on some extra and use the extra hands to balance, push or whatever.....but the main suggestion is that with the trolley perhaps there's not the necessity to have so many guys on the job.
As a crew leader, I would prefer 3 guys draggin, opposed to 3 guys piling up one cart and one guy taking that while the rest of them stand around smoking cigs. Did anyone see any brush in the vid that wasn't conifer? Conifer stacks real nice. Show me how much brush off a water oak that thing can carry. Or a hickory. I can pile anything if I take twice as long to cut it up. But what is the sense in that? As far as logs and entire limbs, that was impressive. All those long limbs were still very straight and intended to meet the function of the product.
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I made that video over a couple of weeks, that was actually the first home made prototype. I didn't really have much choice as to what the jobs were, just so happens thats what was booked thought that period. I could have waited to add a little more variety but decided that people would get the general principles and the rest being left to their own imagination and prowess.
I did upload another clip but just to show-how with the handle removed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djXNzLekJec
Again, I cant help the fact that the branches are straight, the fact remains thats how they were cut from the tree.
All tools have their limitations of course, but with that said its really down to the end-users foresight to work things in their favour.
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I would prefer 3 guys draggin, opposed to 3 guys piling up one cart and one guy taking that while the rest of them stand around smoking cigs.
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Well, if they choose to stand around smoking instead of finding something else to do then the issue is with them and not the trolley. We often just pile on some extra and use the extra hands to balance, push or whatever.....but the main suggestion is that with the trolley perhaps there's not the necessity to have so many guys on the job.
Reg
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- Victoria, BC
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yes, Reg I can and I mean no disrespect
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I know that, absolutely none taken. I like people who speak their mind.
yes, Reg I can and I mean no disrespect
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I know that, absolutely none taken. I like people who speak their mind.
I use a similar sized trailer that a friend fabricated for me. Pull it with an atv most of the time but it's small enough to get through a fence gate and pull by hand as well. Also have a larger one that I use if there is enough room, carries a lot of brush. Nice not having to rake the entire drag distance. Sometimes helps to leave the truck a good distance away in an easy area to chip.
chris_girard
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- Location
- Gilmanton, N.H.
I can't begin to tell you how great the Arbor Trolley is. Having used it on a few jobs where all the brush and logs had to be stacked for later chipping and hauling, it paid for itself easily.
A wonderfully engineered and beautifully crafted piece of equipment. You wouldn't believe how much it can haul.
I'll post some pics soon.
A wonderfully engineered and beautifully crafted piece of equipment. You wouldn't believe how much it can haul.
I'll post some pics soon.
chris_girard
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- Location
- Gilmanton, N.H.
chris_girard
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- Gilmanton, N.H.
