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dttm said:
That is how i feel. Its always hard to not worry about the "wrong" direction.

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Worrying about a direction is one thing, but doing nothing is unacceptable. Weigh the pros and cons of each direction, step up and move forward. You can still worry, it’s ok, but it’s your path... LIve it like you own it. Because stagnation will do nothing but frustrate, annoy and piss you off.

Ps I’m not saying to leave either. There are ways to fix the problem as pointed out by others. And also some days you need to just thank the stars that you are an HOURLY employee. But YOU need to weigh those strategies and options.
Enjoy the day and this heat!
 
I have a door. I have been invited to knock on it. Its hard. Here we go. I hope. Happy 4th my people.
 
Thanks man. Got a beer guy?... I didn't say sir. You work for a living. [emoji23] for real thanks.
Stephen Moore said:
The wrong direction may be what the universe had in mind at the time. The nice thing about direction is you can change it. We all learn from experiences be they good or not so good.
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So my crew leader got messed up on a crane job day before the 4th. Seems like it dont matter. I refuse to talk to these people anymore. I walked. Their ears are closed and I am done with getting taken advantage of by that sales guy that I busted my ass for him to get paid 3x what I get on the really hard days. Things are good.
 
dttm said:
So my crew leader got messed up on a crane job day before the 4th. Seems like it dont matter. I refuse to talk to these people anymore. I walked. Their ears are closed and I am done with getting taken advantage of by that sales guy that I busted my ass for him to get paid 3x what I get on the really hard days. Things are good.
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Sucks you have been having such a hard time with it lately! We've all been there... Glad you're moving on to better opportunities!
 
Stephen Moore said:
What do they use a score method to price a job? If a tree is 24 inches it costs this much kinda thing? Cuz we all know a 24” Pine is way different than a 24” monkey puzzle tree!
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Backyard, front yard, gates ac units long drag. I find sometimes they look at the tree but not all the rest. Oh and btw we take after everything too!
 
If someone dose not listen while you are communicating dose that make them a rock? How many times do you have to ask or tell them?....every other day? We are hitting the road. We have better jobs. Thanks for everyones view.
 
KevinS said:
Backyard, front yard, gates ac units long drag. I find sometimes they look at the tree but not all the rest. Oh and btw we take after everything too!
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This is normally where I make the mistake. Don’t look completely at the tree and surroundings. A big one that gets me often is pin oak crown clean. Nice well manicured lawn when I estimate, 4” tall when we complete :nocausagracia:. Takes twice as long just to rake it all out! Septic systems have bitten me before as well, forgetting to ask where they are. Was more of an issue when I didn’t have the DW. I still forget to ask if they want wood chip or firewood, but that’s always a bonus if they do!:bananahappy:
Communication is the key, but everyone needs to be listening. But also everyone also needs to be reasonable about how they point out problems and not just attack. Remember until you have walked a mile in their shoes you really don’t know. My previous employer always said if you want to vocalize a problem make sure you come to the table with a possible solution, otherwise you are just complaining! This tended to make people think through the issue and positive change came from it.
 
flyingsquirrel25 said:
This is normally where I make the mistake. Don’t look completely at the tree and surroundings. A big one that gets me often is pin oak crown clean. Nice well manicured lawn when I estimate, 4” tall when we complete :nocausagracia:. Takes twice as long just to rake it all out! Septic systems have bitten me before as well, forgetting to ask where they are. Was more of an issue when I didn’t have the DW. I still forget to ask if they want wood chip or firewood, but that’s always a bonus if they do!:bananahappy:
Communication is the key, but everyone needs to be listening. But also everyone also needs to be reasonable about how they point out problems and not just attack. Remember until you have walked a mile in their shoes you really don’t know. My previous employer always said if you want to vocalize a problem make sure you come to the table with a possible solution, otherwise you are just complaining! This tended to make people think through the issue and positive change came from it.
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Irrigation systems can also be a pain! As can a slight uphill grade with a power line preventing zip line work. Or vehicles that for whatever reason can’t be moved? But that wasn’t made clear at time of estimate. Gutters! Now that may seem small potatoes, but the fancy wide profile continuous gutters that are 50 feet long and dent like a beer can will be 8 bucks a running foot if you ding em. And my biggest peeve- dog shit! I absolutely hate it when I show up to do a tree and the yard is mined in dog shit! I’ll pack my gear up and leave!
 
flyingsquirrel25 said:
This is normally where I make the mistake. Don’t look completely at the tree and surroundings. A big one that gets me often is pin oak crown clean. Nice well manicured lawn when I estimate, 4” tall when we complete :nocausagracia:. Takes twice as long just to rake it all out! Septic systems have bitten me before as well, forgetting to ask where they are. Was more of an issue when I didn’t have the DW. I still forget to ask if they want wood chip or firewood, but that’s always a bonus if they do!:bananahappy:
Communication is the key, but everyone needs to be listening. But also everyone also needs to be reasonable about how they point out problems and not just attack. Remember until you have walked a mile in their shoes you really don’t know. My previous employer always said if you want to vocalize a problem make sure you come to the table with a possible solution, otherwise you are just complaining! This tended to make people think through the issue and positive change came from it.
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Seems like a checklist would help.


I use tarps a lot, with the idea that its easier to clean a contained mess, easier and more thoroughly than without. Blowing firewood bucking chip right onto a tarp is so much easier than raking, shoveling, blowing, etc. Sometimes I"ll just tarp under a tree/ work area, and not rake. Fruit trees, Japanese maples, super manicured (anal-retentively manicured) areas. We have lots of gravel driveways/ roads. Getting saw chips out of gravel is too much work.

A couple large tarps under a pin oak prune might be ready to drag right to the chipper when you're done without sprinkling bits the whole way to the chipper, which then needs raking. Deadwood shatters. Even dropping branches onto tarps and clearing the chippable stuff periodically can save a lot of clean-up and better end product. Beware burning turf. Lightweight white tarps are an option. I use a lot of Brown/ Gray HD tarps.

When you're packing up, you can use tarps like packing peanuts. I stuff a couple over my half-dozen saw and Kombisystem powerhead, keeping it all from bouncing all over the place when encountering speed bumps, etc.
 
southsoundtree said:
Seems like a checklist would help.


I use tarps a lot, with the idea that its easier to clean a contained mess, easier and more thoroughly than without. Blowing firewood bucking chip right onto a tarp is so much easier than raking, shoveling, blowing, etc. Sometimes I"ll just tarp under a tree/ work area, and not rake. Fruit trees, Japanese maples, super manicured (anal-retentively manicured) areas. We have lots of gravel driveways/ roads. Getting saw chips out of gravel is too much work.

A couple large tarps under a pin oak prune might be ready to drag right to the chipper when you're done without sprinkling bits the whole way to the chipper, which then needs raking. Deadwood shatters. Even dropping branches onto tarps and clearing the chippable stuff periodically can save a lot of clean-up and better end product. Beware burning turf. Lightweight white tarps are an option. I use a lot of Brown/ Gray HD tarps.

When you're packing up, you can use tarps like packing peanuts. I stuff a couple over my half-dozen saw and Kombisystem powerhead, keeping it all from bouncing all over the place when encountering speed bumps, etc.
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How many tarps do you go through in a year? I find doing this branches tear up the tarps. My boss thought if we’re going to ‘be rough’ on tarps why put out the money when cloth painters drop sheets were cheaper. If we’re going to just rip them anyway.
 
Stephen Moore said:
Irrigation systems can also be a pain! As can a slight uphill grade with a power line preventing zip line work. Or vehicles that for whatever reason can’t be moved? But that wasn’t made clear at time of estimate. Gutters! Now that may seem small potatoes, but the fancy wide profile continuous gutters that are 50 feet long and dent like a beer can will be 8 bucks a running foot if you ding em. And my biggest peeve- dog shit! I absolutely hate it when I show up to do a tree and the yard is mined in dog shit! I’ll pack my gear up and leave!
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Loads of dog shit like in the spring after the thaw drives me crazy! Dog people are like what’s the problem? I don’t want to smell and be covered in shit and go home and have my dog free house smelling like dog shit thanks for nothing! I just about came out of a tree once to take a swing at a homeowner cause he let his dog out didn’t care as he watched him piss on my gear and bag then he left and said ‘ what do you do?’ I still hate that ass
 
Stephen Moore said:
take or talk? I'll assume talk? Good idea! Hard to tell someone they shit the bed on that job without communication.
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I meant take everything as in after we deadwood that locust covering 3 yards we now have to rake every lil twig out of 3 yards and that can take awhile
 
southsoundtree said:
Seems like a checklist would help.


I use tarps a lot, with the idea that its easier to clean a contained mess, easier and more thoroughly than without. Blowing firewood bucking chip right onto a tarp is so much easier than raking, shoveling, blowing, etc. Sometimes I"ll just tarp under a tree/ work area, and not rake. Fruit trees, Japanese maples, super manicured (anal-retentively manicured) areas. We have lots of gravel driveways/ roads. Getting saw chips out of gravel is too much work.

A couple large tarps under a pin oak prune might be ready to drag right to the chipper when you're done without sprinkling bits the whole way to the chipper, which then needs raking. Deadwood shatters. Even dropping branches onto tarps and clearing the chippable stuff periodically can save a lot of clean-up and better end product. Beware burning turf. Lightweight white tarps are an option. I use a lot of Brown/ Gray HD tarps.

When you're packing up, you can use tarps like packing peanuts. I stuff a couple over my half-dozen saw and Kombisystem powerhead, keeping it all from bouncing all over the place when encountering speed bumps, etc.
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I did a job last year at an anal guys place, waterfront! He has a pee gravel parking area. I took down 3- 100’ fir trees and blew the sawdust and small crud out of the gravel pretty well, I mean you would need to squint to see any crud. While we were packing up to leave he pulled out a leaf vac and started sucking up his gravel line a fish tank! What a dick tard!
 
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