TCI Expo Mini Loaders, grapples, tracks or wheels?

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...I couldn't use one after the ASV though...

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Yep. Mini's aren't for everyone. Especially, in areas with open yards and wooded lots.

The advantage of a mini skid steer is suburbs; with small fenced in yards and gates.
 
I own a Ramrod 1150, great machine. Big lifting capacity but the tracks are super hard on turf.

I've never seen the green tracks before Jamin's posted video. Where the hell do i get a set of those? they're ridiculous! That would really increase the number of jobs that i choose to use the mini on.

To stay true to the thread: i use Dave's grapple. It's great and i would never spend the money on a full rotating grapple. Also, i would never buy a wheeled machine. We do a lot of forest beautification with our machine and a wheeled machine i doubt would access terrain any more difficult than pavement, gravel or turf.

One problem that i have with the grapple is keeping the hoses from flopping around and getting pinched. Is there a solution to this? I'm going to get a set of hoses made for it for the day where they start leaking halfway through a job.
 
Cool we got some action on this thread.

Dan, thanks for your input on the ASV, the green tracks are amazing on lawns. I hear very good things about their Turf compatibility. The only negatives I have heard is they will not climb a hill if the grass is wet and they just sit and spin on snow.
Examining the Machine closer:
I have never ran an ASV, I have run conventional skidsteers (track and wheel) and their cabs are much the same. I don't like the restricted visibility plus they give me operator Butt. Other than that a track skidloader is powerful forwarding tool for the money, the ASVs are a bit spendier because they have the smoothest running track system of all the track loaders (Independent Bogeys). I suppose the greentrack itself is more Expensive also . . I don't really know

The only thing that could maybe out compete an ASV would be an articulating machine. No major issues feeding a chipper on turf if you wanted to, comparable speeds and lift specs, much better visibility and they will work in snow(greentracks won't) The ASV has it beat hands down on stability, hill climbing and working in soft soils, sandy conditions.

Please don't take this as a slam - Jamin and Dan
All the machines have their +'s and -'s they all kick azz cost wise compared to paying for manual labor. Smart tree guys mechanize as soon as they can afford it.
 
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Sorry its not one of yours dave. I do have one just no video of it. This shows there is no need for a rotator.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCySM3BYfp8

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Mark,
You are ahead of your time, You are damm good at running it, showing even on a sitdown machine you can get by without the Rotator. In fact Implemax didn't even have powered rotators on them till their last days.
Now Defunct they were the only skid type grapple aggressively marketed to the Tree Industry for years. (showing my age) If I remember right they cost about 8 grand!
When you think about it most Bucket style grapples cost around 2 grand, what do you think most Tree guys bought?
This is why I believe most guys do not understand, never seen, heard anything about, or get the added value of a "Skid" type grapple.
Mark since you are experienced with that large Implemax non powered rotating skid grapple. Would you lay out another couple grand for a powered Rotator?

Thanks for adding to the discussion
 
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Also, we can put the mini in the back of an f350 and tow it and a fully loaded dump trailer (10k pounds payload). Can't do that with a bigger skid steer.

Dave's Mulch bucket is a very good attachment too.

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Nuthin Special,
Thanks for the endorsement, I havn't come up with a good solution to the pinch factor on the hoses. PM me I have replacements Cheap!
Owning a Ramrod YOU ARE IN LUCK! as far as a faux greentrack for your machine. I took the Picture at their factory in Canada. Ramrod is the only Mini MFG I know of that has a slick trac available. I don't think they sell many cuz I got a flyer from them a couple months back and they were closing them out. I did run them on grass once and became a believer. I can try to find that flyer . . . don't pay them full price.

I don't make that Mulch Bucket, but it is the best quality one I have found. My new creation is a pretty good competition to the Bucket. No need to take the grapple off, no dozing effect on the lawns and my 3rd generation design is 8.5 heaping Cubes to the buckets 9.9

http://www.youtube.com/user/BMAttachments2010?feature=mhum#p/c/AA419EEE185D077E/0/KXGOLqQP0Mo
 

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...I couldn't use one after the ASV though...

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Yep. Mini's aren't for everyone. Especially, in areas with open yards and wooded lots.

The advantage of a mini skid steer is suburbs; with small fenced in yards and gates.

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..and or your Company has the potential to grow the cutting side of the biz, and you want a lower cost forwarder for your second, third, or fourth cutting crew.
 

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Hope you don't get sick of my ranting,

Here is a job I would rather forget, you couldn't do this with an Articulating machine or an ASV.
Maybe Jamins crane could lift the ASV
 

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Dave: can the hoses not be run along the top of the arm and secured to it leaving enough play towards the grapple for rotation? I was going to attempt something like that.

I'll send you an email about the hoses and you can ship a pair to me at your leisure.

I'll give Ramrod a call, thanks.
 
We have a tracked machine at work I want to hear some feed back about wheels.

Do they tear the grass up less?

Are they less stable?

Do they leave more or less ruts because the weight is distributed less?

I see you have a lot of pictures of wheeled minis and would like to hear some input from the other side. Thanks!
 
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Dave: can the hoses not be run along the top of the arm and secured to it leaving enough play towards the grapple for rotation? I was going to attempt something like that.

nuthin_special

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I think they would get in the way of the Rope Bollard. The minis all have different locations for there hook ups, so I made the hoses long to accomodate them all. some guys have ran a bungee down to that pinch point and up to the angle iron support on the hanger
 

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All good Questions,
Are we talking mini stand on machines? or sit down machines?
As for Minis
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Do they tear the grass up less?

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Yes, no question,
watch Brendons Video again -- Skip to about 1:22 you can see some turf disturbance. If he had a track mini there would be ALOT more. Remember some tracked minis have a much more aggressive lug pattern, dingos have the least agressive tracks I have seen, short of the slick tracks Ramrod has, see pic I posted for nuttin special.
http://www.youtube.com/user/BMAttachments2010?feature=mhum#p/c/70DBEF32E922129B/2/GUkXhs03FVI
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Are they less stable?


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No *,
* a 36" wide machine will be less stable than a 42" wide mini(duh), they basicaly have the same foot print and if you foam filled the tires which adds an extra 2~300 pounds at ground level makes the wheel more stable than a track. The type grapple and design of the grapple hanger will also effect stability. Grapple style/design will determine where the load has to be carried, the higher the loader arms are under load the less stable any machine will be. ALWAYS CARRY THE LOAD WITH THE ARMS AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. Extra important when it comes to Articulating loaders.

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Do they leave more or less ruts because the weight is distributed less?


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This is a good question, maybe a bit misleading if the goal of the question is to answer which drive system creates the least damage to a clients lawn. Ruts is pretty negative term, repeated trips with either system will tend to compress the soil. Regarding minis: the minimal "rutting" that may occur on a soft lawn from a wheeled machine, is much easier to accept/repair than the peeling or tearing of the lawn when a track turns to sharp. Wheels simply can turn sharper than the tracks
My experience in MN: mostly flat yards, started running wheeled minis in 98, at the sale of my company I was running 4 minis(+other equip) doing over 1.5 mil in residential cutting work.
Running multiple minis for over 11 years, I doubt Top Notchs reputation for great service would have continued to grow if I had been rutting lawns repeatably. I tried a couple track machines and for my customers lawns I would not let my crews run them.
Some History and my perception of the evolution of a "Rut Story" as it apply to wheels versus Tracks.
Before there were minis there were just the 30HP to 100HP wheeled skidsteers. These machines averaged a weight of 6000#s B4 loaded, they definitely Rutted lawns. So they came up with Track systems which produced far less ruts. This train of thought has been passed down to the minis , but there is a huge difference. The minis weigh in at about a 3rd the operating weight. So the wheels on a mini do not RUT like the conventional thinking of a fullsize skid.
You will hear this train of thinking at most all the dealers as they try to sell you the biggest track mini they have. Wheeled minis are out of favor because of this, watch a dealer roll his eyes or try to disuade you when you request a wheeled mini demo.
 
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Sorry its not one of yours dave. I do have one just no video of it. This shows there is no need for a rotator.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCySM3BYfp8

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Mark,
You are ahead of your time, You are damm good at running it, showing even on a sitdown machine you can get by without the Rotator. In fact Implemax didn't even have powered rotators on them till their last days.
Now Defunct they were the only skid type grapple aggressively marketed to the Tree Industry for years. (showing my age) If I remember right they cost about 8 grand!
When you think about it most Bucket style grapples cost around 2 grand, what do you think most Tree guys bought?
This is why I believe most guys do not understand, never seen, heard anything about, or get the added value of a "Skid" type grapple.
Mark since you are experienced with that large Implemax non powered rotating skid grapple. Would you lay out another couple grand for a powered Rotator?

Thanks for adding to the discussion

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No I wouldnt go for the rotator. I also love the mini with the BMG. No need for one on that either. I have had the BMG 23 years now.
 
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bought one from Dave when he first put them out....still haven't seen a real need for the rotator :)

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Took those Videos of your operator Mike, perfect example of how much work one of the smallest minis will do with an experienced operator and a skid type grapple.
 
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I miss the implemax grapple we had on our Ford 7740 tractor. No need for a rotator there, but some major welds gave out and since it had been beaten beyond recognition, it went to the big recycling plant in the sky.

In the picture, it is being held aloft by our Prentice 120c, about to be put to rest.
 

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Implemax had those massive solid ~ 4X4 arms, kinda like ones I have seen on timberjacks.
Implemax went out of business shortly after "Beaver Squeezer" came out.
Whats that say about the importance in a name, or what will get a tree guys attention.
 
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I've been wondering where you've been, Dave, and holy smokes if you aren't blowing up this thread!

Debra must be getting pissed with all the time you're spending here. :P
 

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