Sticht Hitch

kany22 · Apr 21, 2022

Richard Mumford-yoyoman said:
A hitch is generally the controllable friction of a system.
A system, IMO must contain, one, controllable friction, two, proportional friction and three, the "spring" action to initiate it all. If the ratios of those components are not correct it will not perform well, lock up, slip, fail to engage etc.

I understand the importance of these components, but my question is, how would I know if the ratio is correct? Would you say it's right if it performs well?
I wish I could test them separately as you've done for your HHxf, but all I can do is do a visual inspection of the cordages and compare the feeling of controllability with other hitch-based SRT systems such as a rope wrench.

Could you perhaps look closer at this particular setup (#238) and share your thoughts/concerns? This is working for me, but I think it's essential to have as many critical eyes as possible when testing a new method.
Lastly, I really appreciate your expertise, and I've learned a lot from you. So just wanted to say thank you. I don't mind you ignoring this. Don't bother if you're not inclined.

Richard Mumford-yoyoman · Apr 21, 2022

kany22 said:
... Don't bother if you're not inclined.

Always "inclined", that's my problem. Anyway, I'll PM.

Brocky · Apr 21, 2022

Other inquiring minds might like to hear the response, was wondering what you think the holy grail hitch for SRT would need to be?

Fabsem6699 · Apr 22, 2022

Richard Mumford-yoyoman said:
Always "inclined", that's my problem. Anyway, I'll PM.

Please respond in this thread would be very interested in the discussion

Fabsem6699 · Apr 22, 2022

kany22 said:
I understand the importance of these components, but my question is, how would I know if the ratio is correct? Would you say it's right if it performs well?
I wish I could test them separately as you've done for your HHxf, but all I can do is do a visual inspection of the cordages and compare the feeling of controllability with other hitch-based SRT systems such as a rope wrench.

Could you perhaps look closer at this particular setup (#238) and share your thoughts/concerns? This is working for me, but I think it's essential to have as many critical eyes as possible when testing a new method.
Lastly, I really appreciate your expertise, and I've learned a lot from you. So just wanted to say thank you. I don't mind you ignoring this. Don't bother if you're not inclined.

I tried your system. But instead of a square ring (we dont have those around here) i used three rings next to each other. Two large ones on the outside and a smaller one in between. This created a “squish channel” where the rope was more likely to stay and also got friction from the sides aswell as from the front.

Worked quite well

maybe worth trying?

kany22 · Apr 23, 2022

Fabsem6699 said:
I tried your system. But instead of a square ring (we dont have those around here) i used three rings next to each other. Two large ones on the outside and a smaller one in between. This created a “squish channel” where the rope was more likely to stay and also got friction from the sides aswell as from the front.

Worked quite well maybe worth trying?

Sounds brilliant, but I couldn't find the right combination as my ring collection is pretty limited. Can you post a pic or two? My guess is you're using a larger front ring to make it work.

kany22 · Apr 23, 2022

A steel thimble works just as well instead of a ring. Tending is even easier and minimizes rope on rope friction.

Brocky · Apr 23, 2022

Low friction rings also work for the back, but I found there is slightly more friction when tending because the groove of the thimble or ring has more surface contact.

kany22 · Apr 23, 2022

Brocky said:
Low friction rings also work for the back, but I found there is slightly more friction when tending because the groove of the thimble or ring has more surface contact.

Did you try it without the twist, I mean the way I tie it in my pictures? Just asking to avoid confusion as they act differently.

Lupin_IV · Apr 23, 2022

kany22 said:
Did you try it without the twist, I mean the way I tie it in my pictures? Just asking to avoid confusion as they act differently.

the friction comes from the climbing rope in the groove of the ring, not the hitch chord i believe. I have had the best luck with the pinto spacer in place of a thimble.

Brocky · Apr 23, 2022

Yes, I tried it your way, it seemed to retain more tension, creating more friction when tending. It was more noticeable with a large ring ,or bushing, a smaller one didn’t continue pinching.
Above, a non- metallic Sticht, the cord is routed to form a circle, and the Snyergy X. Both tend very easy once fully compressed, and realibly grab also.

kany22 · Apr 23, 2022

Thank you for the clarification. I've tried it with the twist and without, so I share my experiences. At least for me, without the twist, it tends smoothly even with a thimble. I thought it makes more space between the climbing rope and the thimble when tending, but that's just another variable of how to tie it after all. Hats off to your mastery. Always a source of inspiration.

Fabsem6699 · Apr 23, 2022

kany22 said:
Sounds brilliant, but I couldn't find the right combination as my ring collection is pretty limited. Can you post a pic or two? My guess is you're using a larger front ring to make it work.

I will take a pic this week. Yes i use a larger front ring

The idea with the thimble is also great! Does it stay in the channel well?

Barc Buster · Apr 23, 2022

kany22 said:
A steel thimble works just as well instead of a ring. Tending is even easier and minimizes rope on rope friction.

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Very tidy! I’m stitch hitch curious here but more of a visual learner. I’m sure there are videos buried in this thread here somewhere, but would you care to post a short video of how your tying this?

kany22 · Apr 24, 2022

Fabsem6699 said:
The idea with the thimble is also great! Does it stay in the channel well?

The rope does stay in the groove. I chose a slightly larger thimble. i.e. 12mm thimble for 11/10.5mm ropes.

kany22 · Apr 24, 2022

Barc Buster said:
Very tidy! I’m stitch hitch curious here but more of a visual learner. I’m sure there are videos buried in this thread here somewhere, but would you care to post a short video of how your tying this?

As far as I know, I haven't seen a video here. I'll try. Or others could chime in if they have one.

Fabsem6699 · Apr 24, 2022

kany22 said:
The rope does stay in the groove. I chose a slightly larger thimble. i.e. 12mm thimble for 11/10.5mm ropes.

Time to buy a thimble

Fabsem6699 · Apr 24, 2022

kany22 said:
As far as I know, I haven't seen a video here. I'll try. Or others could chime in if they have on

Barc Buster said:

Very tidy! I’m stitch hitch curious here but more of a visual learner. I’m sure there are videos buried in this thread here somewhere, but would you care to post a short video of how your tying th

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I have scoured the internet but there are no videos on the topic

Maybe i should make one

You will just have to look at the pictures and figure it out…. Thats how i did it. Once you understand the basic system its all relatively easy. Just looks daunting at first….