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slowturtle67

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Hey everyone, looking to get some advice as it is all very confusing without someone to ask questions.
I live in rural Australia but am going to purchase from treestuff as it will actually save me a substantial amount

About to make a bulk purchase of everything I need for SRT
I have 3000 to spend on my order (excluding chainsaws I'll buy one locally)
I'll need rigging gear as-well

I plan to teach myself slowly and safely on my own trees to maintain and remove dead trees on my own new property

Here is what I have so far

ZigZag 2019 (Fixed Hole)
Singing Tree Rope Wrench By ISC
Climbing Technology Foot Ascender
HAAS Ascent System
Notch Ultimate Throw Line Starter Kit
Teufelberger TreeMotion EVO
2 x Teufelberger hipSTAR FLEX 11.5mm
ART SnakeTail
Camp Herbol Cambium Saver
Teufelberger Tachyon 11.5mm Climbing Rope

Current total: $2,280.57

So i'm not sure the other smaller items I will require and if i have even made the right choices
I'm thinking that having a mid-line attachable device may be handy, is the notch rope runner pro a complete unit or does it need something like the rope wrench to make it safe for SRT?

Thanks in advance
 
To start with, the ZigZag, by itself, is not an SRT device. It can be turned into an SRT device with the addition of the Petzl Chicane.

The Rope Wrench, by itself, is useless. It can be used SRT with a hitch - tied with hitch cord - and a hitch tending pulley, to which the Wrench is tethered.

The Rope Runner is a stand alone SRT device, although for any of these, you'll want something to tend them (pull them up the rope with you) as you ascend. Some people use a chest harness, some use their lanyard over their shoulder. Speaking of which, you probably don't need two hipSTAR lanyards.

The cambium saver isn't necessary for SRT but it can be used as an anchoring option in a more advanced technique.

It sounds like you might not have any climbing experience at all, so maybe your choice of technique and gear needs to be reevaluated?

I assume you have a helmet, safety glasses, and decent climbing boots in your budget?
 
Tuebor said:
To start with, the ZigZag, by itself, is not an SRT device. It can be turned into an SRT device with the addition of the Petzl Chicane.

The Rope Wrench, by itself, is useless. It can be used SRT with a hitch - tied with hitch cord - and a hitch tending pulley, to which the Wrench is tethered.

The Rope Runner is a stand alone SRT device, although for any of these, you'll want something to tend them (pull them up the rope with you) as you ascend. Some people use a chest harness, some use their lanyard over their shoulder. Speaking of which, you probably don't need two hipSTAR lanyards.

The cambium saver isn't necessary for SRT but it can be used as an anchoring option in a more advanced technique.

It sounds like you might not have any climbing experience at all, so maybe your choice of technique and gear needs to be reevaluated?

I assume you have a helmet, safety glasses, and decent climbing boots in your budget?
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The Zigzag can be combined with the rope wrench which may be what the OP is doing. The Chicane is a rip off of Kevin Bingham's rope wrench so I support the exclusion of the Chicane from anyone's gear bag. I also support - for the same reason - not using any Petzl kit whatsoever unless it is less safe to do so. The non-zigzag srt options are great. Buy an akimbo or rope runner and don't look back.

Along the same lines, replace the haas ascender with the upcoming release of the gen3 climbing innovations saka mini knee ascender, ordered directly from climbing innovations. I believe Richard is assembling them right now. It is better kit, and friendly to our progressing community.
 
slowturtle67 said:
Hey everyone, looking to get some advice as it is all very confusing without someone to ask questions.
I live in rural Australia but am going to purchase from treestuff as it will actually save me a substantial amount

About to make a bulk purchase of everything I need for SRT
I have 3000 to spend on my order (excluding chainsaws I'll buy one locally)
I'll need rigging gear as-well

I plan to teach myself slowly and safely on my own trees to maintain and remove dead trees on my own new property

Here is what I have so far

ZigZag 2019 (Fixed Hole)
Singing Tree Rope Wrench By ISC
Climbing Technology Foot Ascender
HAAS Ascent System
Notch Ultimate Throw Line Starter Kit
Teufelberger TreeMotion EVO
2 x Teufelberger hipSTAR FLEX 11.5mm
ART SnakeTail
Camp Herbol Cambium Saver
Teufelberger Tachyon 11.5mm Climbing Rope

Current total: $2,280.57

So i'm not sure the other smaller items I will require and if i have even made the right choices
I'm thinking that having a mid-line attachable device may be handy, is the notch rope runner pro a complete unit or does it need something like the rope wrench to make it safe for SRT?

Thanks in advance
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You should have a large Silky curved handsaw with large teeth. I like my Sugoi. The Tsurugi is another consideration. The Zubat is serviceable and easy to find. It is good to have a Sawpod or the Notch equivalent for racking it on your calf. Btw, Notch is a subsidiary of Platte River Equity, whose leadership and employee diversity structure may or may not represent your preferences.

You can fabricate a pneumatic line setting device for accessing emergent eucs if you have those. A piece of foam can be cut to "seal" the chamber immediately under the throw weight. It's cheap and goes really high with superior accuracy.

Get a cheap, stiff rope bag. Silverbull makes a yellow one that is the best value I have found so far.

You do not have a helmet listed. Pfanner just sent out a production run. The Protos has integrated glasses that I recommend in combination with the mesh shield.

Buy Kiwi Klimbers from Dale in New Zealand when you are ready.

For rigging, Yale polydyne and Allgear Husky 1/2" and 3/4" are high elongation lines that will be safer in most circumstances than low elongation lines. A false crotch is needed, such as a block pulley or double ring dead eye sling. The rope should break before the false crotch gear breaks. If you rig natural crotch, consider 1/2" 3 strand with a masdam rope puller for a cheap setup. Keep track of your applied forces on this kit since the forces are lower than with the false crotch kit. The 3 strand is easy to splice (with appropriate eye thimbles) into a simple double-ended lanyard for climbing pole trees with frequent small branches. It's a great cost-cutting system. You can get a hipstar lanyard later and still benefit from the first lanyard you made.
 
If I were you, I’d sub the rope wrench for the chicane if that’s going to be your primary srt climbing device. Also, I would add two Petzl A-OK h-frame caribiners. Also add the HUT or a chest tender as well as an accessory carabiner for tending on ascent... DMM’s xsre is too small to fit smoothly into the center whole for tending on the zigzag, but the rock exotica accessory carabiner might be a good option.

I’m a big fan of the rope wrench with cordage and the phlotich or hitch-climber, but I would not recommend going that route if you’re not well versed in the use of eye-to-eye friction hitches.

Also, make sure you get an eye splice on your climbing line if you’re planning on using the zigzag ddrt.
 
It’s important to note that the Petzl A-OK h-frame carabiner is the only one that fits the hole on the ZigZag. In my opinion, if you are truly just starting out, I’d recommend sticking with a moving rope system instead of trying to learn SRT right off the bat. Get the basics down first, then move to more complicated systems.
 
HigherGroundArborist said:
It’s important to note that the Petzl A-OK h-frame carabiner is the only one that fits the hole on the ZigZag. In my opinion, if you are truly just starting out, I’d recommend sticking with a moving rope system instead of trying to learn SRT right off the bat. Get the basics down first, then move to more complicated systems.
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As a new climber in 2014, SRT was more intuitive than MRT. I did not even consider MRT because I did not know it existed. I think MRT is called "the basics" because it was first, rather than it being more basic.
 
There are times when MRS is the best tool for the job, there are times when SRT is the best tool for the job, and there are times when a combination of the two is the best tool for the job. A truly well rounded modern climber must be well versed in both MRS and SRT. Don't short change yourself..Learn both.
 
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colb said:
As a new climber in 2014, SRT was more intuitive than MRT. I did not even consider MRT because I did not know it existed. I think MRT is called "the basics" because it was first, rather than it being more basic.
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That’s interesting. I think it’s called “the basics” because the lack of equipment required. You can climb on MRS with nothing more than one saddle and one rope. A basic SRS setup requires far more equipment.
 
Reach said:
That’s interesting. I think it’s called “the basics” because the lack of equipment required. You can climb on MRS with nothing more than one saddle and one rope. A basic SRS setup requires far more equipment.
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Every once in a while i like to tie a clove to my saddle and use a taut line for short climbs. Reminds me of how simple it can be.
 
Yep. I was recently coming out of a big Fir with a HC setup and my e2e completely locked up with pitch at about 140ft. I pulled my hitch climber set up and used a taut line hitch to get to the ground. Old school, new school.. The more you know the more options you have.
 
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slowturtle67 said:
Hey everyone, looking to get some advice as it is all very confusing without someone to ask questions.
I live in rural Australia but am going to purchase from treestuff as it will actually save me a substantial amount

About to make a bulk purchase of everything I need for SRT
I have 3000 to spend on my order (excluding chainsaws I'll buy one locally)
I'll need rigging gear as-well

I plan to teach myself slowly and safely on my own trees to maintain and remove dead trees on my own new property

Here is what I have so far

ZigZag 2019 (Fixed Hole)
Singing Tree Rope Wrench By ISC
Climbing Technology Foot Ascender
HAAS Ascent System
Notch Ultimate Throw Line Starter Kit
Teufelberger TreeMotion EVO
2 x Teufelberger hipSTAR FLEX 11.5mm
ART SnakeTail
Camp Herbol Cambium Saver
Teufelberger Tachyon 11.5mm Climbing Rope

Current total: $2,280.57

So i'm not sure the other smaller items I will require and if i have even made the right choices
I'm thinking that having a mid-line attachable device may be handy, is the notch rope runner pro a complete unit or does it need something like the rope wrench to make it safe for SRT?

Thanks in advance
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If you're living in Australia, look into Honeybros ... I've found there's better savings there, especially on european made gear (ISC, Zigzag, ART, Teufelberger, etc)
 
Ditch the HAAS and go for a SAKA. You need a chest harness of sorts. I’d personally ditch the snake tail. Tachyon is a bouncy shit SRT rope, go with extatic or what use to be a Yale 11.7. Not sure what the hip star is but if it’s a lanyard I’d just go with a few hitch cords, oval carabiners, and a couple of hitch climber pulleys.
I’ve never used a zigzag, so no input there, but if you had a few hitch cords and a hitch climber laying around it would give you some versatility
 
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