SRS and MRS length

[ClimbingTN]

I’m going to buy another rope because I’m thinking about trying to get higher on open air SRS. Not that there’s anything wrong with my 150ft hyperclimb thats 2.5 years old with light use. I’m debating about a 120-200ft rope. Typically when I SRS, I’ll canopy tie with a Quickie with an Alpine (long tail or stopper) if too high, I’ll tie a 1k paracord to it for retrieval. If I can change over to MRS for decent, it just seems easier if my rope is redirected. What do you big tree guys 100ft+ guys do with rope length? I probably should specify that if I Rec climb, I want my TIP high. If I’m working, then what ever gets me to the work area. Thanks in advance. Craig

 

[Stumpsprouts]

200’ is standard, good for most trees here. If the tree is on the shorter side, and I’m doing a canopy tie SRT, I’ll have the extra rope on the retrieval end so my climbing rope just has an excess of 15’ or so on the ground. If it’s a basal anchor, I’ll sometimes tie with a running bowline on a bight.

If your tie in points cap out around 60’, use 120’ ropes. Essentially just want to have slightly more than double the length of your typical tie in point.

 

[ghostice]

I’m going to buy another rope because I’m thinking about trying to get higher on open air SRS. Not that there’s anything wrong with my 150ft hyperclimb thats 2.5 years old with light use. I’m debating about a 120-200ft rope. Typically when I SRS, I’ll canopy tie with a Quickie with an Alpine (long tail or stopper) if too high, I’ll tie a 1k paracord to it for retrieval. If I can change over to MRS for decent, it just seems easier if my rope is redirected. What do you big tree guys 100ft+ guys do with rope length? I probably should specify that if I Rec climb, I want my TIP high. If I’m working, then what ever gets me to the work area. Thanks in advance. Craig

Maybe redundant, but when I know I'll be switching over to MRS with re-directs esp., for descent, I've developed the habit of always tying a stopper knot or figure 8 knot about three feet from the end of the rope tail beforehand - just so I don't go off the end of the rope on the way down somewhere. It's just habit now and the ropes I use for MRS sit that way in the bags. Only takes once. My .02

 

[evo]

I almost exclusively base tie.
Not having enough even with a 200’ line is very common both on base tied srt or double rope Mrs or whatever it’s called.
Heck even sometimes a 200’ line barely gets you in the canopy.

I mostly pre tie a double rope hitch on the tail of my 200’ line. Get up to my srt suspension point and then just double rope up from there, having someone on the ground untie my base anchor.

Another common strategy is just climb srt up to the TIP and haul up a second line. This serves as a access line but I tend to avoid extra ropes hanging to snag brush.

 

[Z'sTrees]

~100' is probably my most used rope, mostly doing removals. 200' is great for pruning big, spreading trees or SRT access on the tall ones but can be alot to manage on removals, IMO. Also have a 150 footer in a small bag for crane work...

I guess if I could only have 1 it would be a 200', would do everything you need and there are ways to work around having a ton of tail to deal with. I climb both Srt and drt and often switch back and forth as I work.

 

[southsoundtree]

SRT base- ties can be done with 2 joined ropes.

People commonly want to have ropes that are long enough for everything.



I used to climb on a 120' for many removals as I rarely climb higher than 120'. A nice 1/2" thickness without having to manage 200' of 1/2".


I could trunk-choke at 120' and use a seperate pull- down line, as needed.

A 55' high redirect was commonly plenty for canopy-raise pruning with a base-tied 120' rope.


Multiple lengths, sometimes joined, makes for lots of options.

 

[moss]

SRT base- ties can be done with 2 joined ropes.

People commonly want to have ropes that are long enough for everything.



I used to climb on a 120' for many removals as I rarely climb higher than 120'. A nice 1/2" thickness without having to manage 200' of 1/2".


I could trunk-choke at 120' and use a seperate pull- down line, as needed.

A 55' high redirect was commonly plenty for canopy-raise pruning with a base-tied 120' rope.


Multiple lengths, sometimes joined, makes for lots of options.

I don’t own 200’ lines anymore, join 2 when I want more length.
-AJ

 

[Brando CalPankian]

I use 150 and 200 footers. Srt pruning a lot. Rarely on mys unless I'm doing removals, and even then it's not common. I often use a second line for retrieval so I can cinch tie canopy anchor (girth hitched biner/pinto) so I can retrieve a few redirects. I just got the arborfreak rope and it's decent. Got it on sale, paired with zz/chicane.

Sometimes I don't like dealing with the tail of my rope, but I hate running out more.

 

[Neill]

. I carry a 90’, 150’, and a 200’.

 

[ClimbingTN]

So….two ropes tied with a Zeppelin, Figure-8 Bend or something else? Isn’t the knot going to be troublesome? I get on a base tie at 90ft crotch with a 100ft rope and another on the backside. What’s the other usage or only base tie?

 

[southsoundtree]

I use a well tied, dressed, set flat-overhand, often backed up with a second flat overhand, just because I can, and some ropes are stiff, and I work in the rain.

 

[moss]

So….two ropes tied with a Zeppelin, Figure-8 Bend or something else? Isn’t the knot going to be troublesome? I get on a base tie at 90ft crotch with a 100ft rope and another on the backside. What’s the other usage or only base tie?

I always join with two double overhand knots. I like how clean it is. Never had an issue separating them. For rigging no, for climbing yes.
-AJ

 

[Matias]

I have a couple ~50', a 70', an 85', a 100', a 130', and a couple 165'. My 200' has become a light rigging line.

 

[Burrapeg]

If you start out with a 200 footer to handle any possibility, shorter lengths can often be gotten later as bargain remnants from the arborist supply houses. I got a 55ft and a 84ft from WesSpur at various times, both at giveaway prices, and these have been very handy to have.

 

[27RMT0N]

Or you wind up with a short rope when you accidentally spur your 200 footer and have to cut it... not that I'd know anything about that

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Or you wind up with a short rope when you accidentally spur your 200 footer and have to cut it... not that I'd know anything about that

That’s how I’ve always worn out ropes. Never by long term use. Lol

 

[prunetang]

I recently found myself needing to tie two ropes together for a base anchor, well I actually used two splices and a carabiner. once in the tree co-worker untied base anchor and I advanced to about 150'. My second rope (120') wouldn't be enough to retrieve the 200' so I fed the 200' over a branch until my (climbing side) tail had about 10' on the ground. I used an alpine butterfly and quickie and attached 120' to the tail of retrieval side of 200' which was enough to get to the ground
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I'll likely be going back for a bunch of these trees and rather than buying a bigger rope I'll be bringing a 200' retrieval line (taking suggestions - 8mm?) and continue to tie ropes together for basal anchor to get me initially in the tree. I was curious what others used to tie ropes together which led me here to the flat overhand bend and here where I learned its also known as the European Death Knot EDK. I think Id prefer a double fisherman after reading but cool to know this is an option. Does anyone use a Zeppelin bend?

 

[Njdelaney]

I use a Zeppelin bend on the retrieval side of a base tie when more length is needed. Easy to tie, easy to untie(even after loading heavily), easy to dress, set and verify. Also use it on rigging lines when pulling something.

 

[Neill]

Tying climb lines together

I’ve been base tying a few of tall pines lately and my ropes are too short for the task. Clearly I could use a longer rope, but in a pinch what is your “ best” option for tying two climb lines together?

www.treebuzz.com

Here’s a thread on tying to lines, best knot, etc. there are other threads on it too

 

[southsoundtree]

I recently found myself needing to tie two ropes together for a base anchor, well I actually used two splices and a carabiner. once in the tree co-worker untied base anchor and I advanced to about 150'. My second rope (120') wouldn't be enough to retrieve the 200' so I fed the 200' over a branch until my (climbing side) tail had about 10' on the ground. I used an alpine butterfly and quickie and attached 120' to the tail of retrieval side of 200' which was enough to get to the ground
.
I'll likely be going back for a bunch of these trees and rather than buying a bigger rope I'll be bringing a 200' retrieval line (taking suggestions - 8mm?) and continue to tie ropes together for basal anchor to get me initially in the tree. I was curious what others used to tie ropes together which led me here to the flat overhand bend and here where I learned its also known as the European Death Knot EDK. I think Id prefer a double fisherman after reading but cool to know this is an option. Does anyone use a Zeppelin bend?

EDK all the time.

NO to a flat figure 8. No!!




If I'm feeling at all uncertain that a well tied, dressed, and set edk is plenty, I'll add another, butted up to the first (wet roots of different diameter/ construction). That's just for peace of mind, not necessity.